Knives - once and for all. LEOs? Lawyers?

[ldmaster]

I'm going to do this one time, just because people want to pick apart every little thing to somehow make themselves seem superior:

I don't know you 1guy67, but you do have issues with me (or rather, with what I write), so let's draw issue with your definition of "municiple".

It's right in the friggin dictionary, to quote:

1: of or relating to the internal affairs of a major political unit (as a nation)
2 a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a municipality
b : having local self-government
3: restricted to one locality


The meaning of "municipal" has NOTHING to do with whether or not some political subdivision is a city or a county.


The actual denver law says "mechanical contrivance" all too broad.

1guy67. You would ask that I put out all the information? I provided the links, wasn't that enough?

And municipal code is NOT statutorily defined as having to do with a city or township. ANY statutory political subdivision of the State can have it's own code, commonly referred to as municipal code.

La Plata county, has a municipal code, for instance.

Your definition is insufficiently thorough as "Home Rule" can apply to ANY municipality that declares itself to be "self governing". It is a description of a municipality that it claims the right to "Home Rule", in doing so it must conform to CRS statutes applying to any municipality that says it has "home rule" Thus any municipality may be home rule, but it's by choice. Denver is a statutory city, but also is "home rule". Home rule is not a TYPE of city or town, it is what a city or town defines itself as.

If you're going to pick apart a couple of words, you should look to your own posts.

[Byte Stryke]

I'm going to do this one time, just because people want to pick apart every little thing to somehow make themselves seem superior:

I don't know you 1guy67, but you do have issues with me (or rather, with what I write), so let's draw issue with your definition of "municiple".

It's right in the friggin dictionary, to quote:

1: of or relating to the internal affairs of a major political unit (as a nation)
2 a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a municipality
b : having local self-government
3: restricted to one locality


The meaning of "municipal" has NOTHING to do with whether or not some political subdivision is a city or a county.


The actual denver law says "mechanical contrivance" all too broad.

1guy67. You would ask that I put out all the information? I provided the links, wasn't that enough?

And municipal code is NOT statutorily defined as having to do with a city or township. ANY statutory political subdivision of the State can have it's own code, commonly referred to as municipal code.

La Plata county, has a municipal code, for instance.

Your definition is insufficiently thorough as "Home Rule" can apply to ANY municipality that declares itself to be "self governing". It is a description of a municipality that it claims the right to "Home Rule", in doing so it must conform to CRS statutes applying to any municipality that says it has "home rule" Thus any municipality may be home rule, but it's by choice. Denver is a statutory city, but also is "home rule". Home rule is not a TYPE of city or town, it is what a city or town defines itself as.

If you're going to pick apart a couple of words, you should look to your own posts.

This is going to be great

[Lex_Luthor]

Is the 3 1/4" actual cutting edge length or blade length from tip to handle ?
The reason I ask is because this can make the difference with most of my knives between legal or illegal. ??

...any knife having a blade greater than three and one-half (3½) inches in length...

I believe the common interpretation is the portion from the handle/guard to the tip.

I was always under the impression it was the actual cutting edge. I knew about the general measurement with the palm of one's hand, but that will definitely change depending the size of one's mitts. I measured mine just to check. Cutting edge is 3 1/4", and the entire length of the blade from tip to handle is 3 1/2" so I'm set with mine. Thanks for the clarification.

I have a friend who carries a couple CRKT M16-SF14 which is bigger than mine, and ended up doing an evening in de-tox, and was given his knives back. The actual cutting edge on his knives is 3 1/2" so I guess that's what the LEOs went with in his case. I think like OneGuy said, it depends on what the circumstances are. If the knives were being used in an illegal manner, then you're running into other problems.

[OneGuy67]

Sigh...Idmaster...as I previously stated, I didn't want to start anything, and I apologized in my post for sounding like I was attacking you.

That being said, I'm going to again ask you if you are going to put information out there, BE ACCURATE! If you can't, don't post. There are those here who will take the fact you are a LEO and believe what you are posting as being correct. The fact you say one thing and post something which conflicts with what you write, is disturbing. It shows a lack of understanding. Look at the other member's posts after your own if you can't understand that.

Once again, I'm not going to attack you, but is your understanding of local government that bad that you don't understand the difference between a municipality and a county government?

La Plata county DOES NOT have a municipal code. It is in Municode.com, which appears where you are attempting to obtain your information. If you bothered to actually read it, you would see they are GENERAL ORDINANCES. Municode.come is a paid company that publishes them online for money. Do you get that?

You are somewhat correct in your understanding of home rule verses statutory cities. All cities start as statutory cities and can develop into home rule cities by declaration. Title 31, Section 202 of the CRS control the self-governing of cities as home rule. Denver is governed under Article XX, section 4 and Title 30, section 101 as a consolidated city-county government.

There are major difference between a statutory and a home rule city. One is the collection and imposition of sales tax. A statutory city imposes the city sales tax based on rules established by the State of Colorado. The Colorado Department of Revenue is responsible for collecting and administering local sales taxes for all statutory cities that impose a sales tax. Sales taxes collected by vendors in such areas are to be reported on the DR 0100 and remitted to the Colorado Department of Revenue. A home rule city administers its own city sales tax and the laws regarding sales tax may vary from those established by the State of Colorado. Home rule cities operate as self-collected cities because they administer and collect their own city sales tax. The Colorado Department of Revenue has no jurisdiction over sales and use taxes imposed by these cities when the State does not administer the local taxes. City taxes collected for such areas must be remitted directly to the home rule city.

Another is land use and planning. Statutory counties and municipalities derive their powers from state statute. The law does not explicitly grant statutory counties and municipalities the authority to regulate oil and gas development and production operations. However, state law provides statutory municipalities and counties with broad land-use and planning powers.

Municipality has everything to do with an set geographical boundary being a city. That set area has incorporated into a recognized municipality and thus, is a statutory city. For example, Highlands Ranch is a geographically identified area by the developer, has some limited special fire and water districts and a home owner's assoication, but IS NOT A MUNICIPALITY as it has not incorporated into a city. Bow Mar is a municipality, with set geographical boundaries, limited governmental services and a town council managing a budget obtained by tax revenues.

Again, I'm not looking to pick a fight and provide Byte with a show! Please ensure what you are saying is correct. That's all.

[BigBear]

Where have I been?....

[StagLefty]

Where have I been?....

I don't know but thanks for fresh popcorn

[OneGuy67]

I'm trying to keep this short and civil but....pass me the popcorn too...sigh...

[Clint45]

It is never a good idea to argue on the street with an officer; the officer will win. Bad things will happen.

Especially in Denver.

[Greyhound]

That's the Kershaw Whirlwind. It is a spring-assisted knife, not a switchblade. It doesn't have a button or other device on the handle to trigger opening the blade, and it requires a nudge from a finger to get the blade moving before the spring opens it the rest of the way. It's legal. The federal Switchblade Knife Act was amended to exclude spring-assisted knives.

[CapLock]

Thanks for the info