Colorado CCW Training Warning

[bbadmin]

I got an email last week from a Deputy Sheriff in the Denver Metro Area. He is in charge of the CCW program at his particular Sheriff's Department. He asked that I pass on some information to whoever wanted to listen.

The Colorado Sheriff's Association (CSOC) has begun to routinely audit CCW permit applications for the validity of training credentials. They have found that there are numerous schools and or instructors out there that are not "valid." That is to say, they have not bee certified as an instructor by an approved training provider, and or, their instructor certification was expired at the time they taught the class.

If the instructor is not certified by a provider recognized by the state, or his instructor certification was expired or invalid for some reason, then the Sheriff will not approve your application for a CCW. Apparently there is now a move within CSOC to legislate a fix for this. This will probably mean that in the future to teach a CCW class you will need to be approved by the state, or certified by the state in some manner or fashion. Much like Arizona or Utah do now.

In the meantime, if you take a CCW class, please verify that your instructor is who he says he is, and that his teaching credentials are valid. If not then you may have wasted a lot of time and money.




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[adam223]

Jefferson County has revised their process. I assume as a result of the same audit. New applicants have to provide a copy of your instructor's certificate and instructor's wallet card.

4.) A copy of the instructor's "original certification" certificate and a copy of the "instructor's card" (wallet-size), which shows their certification expiration date.

Jeffco Sheriff's CCW site:
http://www.jeffco.us/sheriff/sheriff_T62_R9.htm

[Adawg38]

Jefferson County has revised their process. I assume as a result of the same audit. New applicants have to provide a copy of your instructor's certificate and instructor's wallet card.

4.) A copy of the instructor's "original certification" certificate and a copy of the "instructor's card" (wallet-size), which shows their certification expiration date.

Jeffco Sheriff's CCW site:
http://www.jeffco.us/sheriff/sheriff_T62_R9.htm

I don't know if this has been talked about more but I am going in this Tues to submit my App and info for my CCW in Jefferson County. I have reviewed many times Jeffcos website and do not see anything different from last year. I definately do not see now that you need an Instructors wallet card. I just ask because I want to make sure I am prepared.

[theGinsue]

I would give them a call and ask to be connected to the office that does the CCW permits - then ask them EXACTLY what you need to bring with you!

Here is their contact info:
Jefferson County Sheriff's Office
200 Jefferson County Parkway
Golden, CO 80401
303-277-0211

[MarkCO]

I provided an ink signed certificate with my NRA cert number on it, the CRS reference and the students full name. No-one has ever asked for a copy of my wallet card. Of course JeffCO has a file on me, but one would think if that was a requirement one of the 2000 or so students of mine who have JeffCO permits, (or the 3000 in other counties) would have been asked. While I do not necessarily agree with the way the law is written, the quickly growing number of irresponsible people does make me nervous. I required a 90 round shoot test after shooting about 200 at the range. Instructors who care about their students will include shooting while those who just care about making some $ as easy as possible won't. Personally, with what has been posted, I would make sure I had the copy of the cert before I went into the Sheriff. If the instructor won't give it to you, he probably is not certified.

[Bailey Guns]

While I do not necessarily agree with the way the law is written, the quickly growing number of irresponsible people does make me nervous. I required a 90 round shoot test after shooting about 200 at the range.

[sarcasm]Well, quite frankly, the last thing I want is armed, nervous people running around loose in society. Nervous people shouldn't have guns...or they should be required to pass an "I'm not nervous any more" test before getting a gun.[/sarcasm]

Instructors who care about their students will include shooting while those who just care about making some $ as easy as possible won't.

And instructors who think like that obviously have an elitist belief that:

• state law is fundamentally flawed (even though there's no evidence the requirements as they now stand are inadequate)
• some people have no God-given right to an adequate means of self-defense (due to physical or financial limitations that might prohibit them from acquiring/completing this type of training)
• bigger government is good
• big brother oversight is good
• most people can't be trusted
• only "we" are smart enough or talented enough to carry guns or train people how to carry guns

I don't have a problem with people getting voluntary training. I also believe it absolutely should not be any more difficult than it already is to get a permit. Despite how "nervous" you are with commoners with minimal training having guns , I seriously doubt you can provide evidence that it's a problem that needs correcting.

Wyoming is on the verge of becoming the third state to say a permit is not needed by a law-abiding person to carry a gun for defense. It's not rocket surgery.

[KarlPMann]

Hmmm, funny that they do that. I seem to recall that my instructor made sure to give me a copy of his just in case it was needed. Good foresight on that instructors part I guess. :wink: Karl.

[FuntKlakow]

Couldn't have said that better.
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[Hyunchback]

It seems very funky to me that they want to have close examination of the credentials of firearms trainers but not other types of instructors.

When you go to get your driver's license for the first time do they ask to see your instructor's credentials? Nope. Not at all. In fact you only need to prove that you can operate a vehicle in a safe manner and there is a person there to administer this test.

I'm not a pilot but I wonder if when you apply for a pilot's license if you need to show the credentials of your flight school instructor.

It seems strange to me that one can operate a car without any check on who it was that taught you are required to make sure your instructor in firearms handling has his credentials up to date.

[mr_will]

prior military :mrgreen:

but im actually lookin at a couple of classes because i want them, thanks for the heads up