Colorado CCW Training Warning

[bbadmin]

I got an email last week from a Deputy Sheriff in the Denver Metro Area. He is in charge of the CCW program at his particular Sheriff's Department. He asked that I pass on some information to whoever wanted to listen.

The Colorado Sheriff's Association (CSOC) has begun to routinely audit CCW permit applications for the validity of training credentials. They have found that there are numerous schools and or instructors out there that are not "valid." That is to say, they have not bee certified as an instructor by an approved training provider, and or, their instructor certification was expired at the time they taught the class.

If the instructor is not certified by a provider recognized by the state, or his instructor certification was expired or invalid for some reason, then the Sheriff will not approve your application for a CCW. Apparently there is now a move within CSOC to legislate a fix for this. This will probably mean that in the future to teach a CCW class you will need to be approved by the state, or certified by the state in some manner or fashion. Much like Arizona or Utah do now.

In the meantime, if you take a CCW class, please verify that your instructor is who he says he is, and that his teaching credentials are valid. If not then you may have wasted a lot of time and money.




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[adam223]

Jefferson County has revised their process. I assume as a result of the same audit. New applicants have to provide a copy of your instructor's certificate and instructor's wallet card.

4.) A copy of the instructor's "original certification" certificate and a copy of the "instructor's card" (wallet-size), which shows their certification expiration date.

Jeffco Sheriff's CCW site:
http://www.jeffco.us/sheriff/sheriff_T62_R9.htm

[KarlPMann]

Hmmm, funny that they do that. I seem to recall that my instructor made sure to give me a copy of his just in case it was needed. Good foresight on that instructors part I guess. :wink: Karl.

[FuntKlakow]

Couldn't have said that better.
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[Hyunchback]

It seems very funky to me that they want to have close examination of the credentials of firearms trainers but not other types of instructors.

When you go to get your driver's license for the first time do they ask to see your instructor's credentials? Nope. Not at all. In fact you only need to prove that you can operate a vehicle in a safe manner and there is a person there to administer this test.

I'm not a pilot but I wonder if when you apply for a pilot's license if you need to show the credentials of your flight school instructor.

It seems strange to me that one can operate a car without any check on who it was that taught you are required to make sure your instructor in firearms handling has his credentials up to date.

[mr_will]

prior military :mrgreen:

but im actually lookin at a couple of classes because i want them, thanks for the heads up

[Ernie Mazza]

I am gfoing through the same crappola here in Ks. I was told that before i can even apply for a CCW I need to get the training. The Ks law has provisions for retired LEO but I have been out for eight years so I am right at the limit. Trying to find an instructor who has the credentials is a pain since the law just passed and no one knows what is required yet.
Fed Law passed in 02 that said i can carry any place in the US but I did not feel i should since every one else was forbidden here I would not just because i was a retired LEO. Same thing now i will go to the class when ever they figure out who, what, and where. I should be sort of fun, sort of like when i was teaching basic life support and had to recert a bunch of ER Doctors and Nurses. But I will be on the other end now.

[MuzzleFlash]

...Fed Law passed in 02 that said i can carry any place in the US but I did not feel i should since every one else was forbidden here I would not just because i was a retired LEO....

I would do it if your former department will support it on the paperwork end. If nothing else, having the federal permit could keep you out of trouble if travelling through any number of communist states such as Kali, Illinois, NJ, etc.

[SigsRule]

FYI, I was a FAA cerfied flight instructor for about 28 years. Any student going to the FAA for a check ride will definitely have their logbook scrutinized by the FAA to look for the credentials of the instructor. It never happened to me but I've heard of the FAA doing 'ramp checks' and checking the credentials of instructors.

[<MADDOG>]

For the few who don't know it, El Paso (maybe CO?) accepts the Hunter's Safety Course for the training requirement. I found that out when I took the class last year, and it may be a boring couple days (half the class was kids), but it's cheaper than alot of the CCW classes I see around.

I exceeded the CCW window for the vet requirement, and I was pleased to know I killed two birds with one stone.