New nut case control laws needed instead of gun control

[sniper7]

Why'd you put pot smoking on the list?

because he was a habitual user, not a casual smoker. I know those guys who smoke every once in a while and like them, they are normal. the ones who are high all the time are beyond gone and really fucked themselves up.

same with alcohol. you know the people who are constantly drunk and you don't want to be around them, typically violent. the casual drinker is usually fun. most guys on here drink on occasion but aren't raging alcoholics.

big difference between use and abuse. this guy abused and even his friends said so.

[theGinsue]

So after they get done with the guns, they'll decide we don't need those evil assault baseball bats....then we won't need those wicked screwdrivers and CLAW HAMMERS!!! And we certainly have no need for an AXE!! Someone might get hurt! And all you golfers out there, you're just a problem waiting to happen...we might as well take care of your CLUBS preemptively...


Ignorant power hungry elitist bas***ds.....ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

There are plenty of nay sayers who would disagree with this and say it's too far fetched and could never happen and that it's just an exaggerated/paranoid fear of gun owners.

Of course, I believe they felt the same way in the UK where many of the items you've listed are now illegal since guns were banned but the criminals still figured out how to commit violent acts on innocent people without guns. Crime is way up in the UK and the use of non-firearm items to commit violent acts is well documented.

[spyder]

because he was a habitual user, not a casual smoker. I know those guys who smoke every once in a while and like them, they are normal. the ones who are high all the time are beyond gone and really fucked themselves up.

same with alcohol. you know the people who are constantly drunk and you don't want to be around them, typically violent. the casual drinker is usually fun. most guys on here drink on occasion but aren't raging alcoholics.

big difference between use and abuse. this guy abused and even his friends said so.

Holy shit, I must have missed a lot, when did we start getting on smoking and drinking? Well shit, I guess we all know how quickly the subject changes around here huh? We should ban fat girls in tight cloths! 50 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag is not good to look at.

[Geology Rocks]

I know that if my wife, who is a school teacher, says that a child needs help mentally/physically/educationally to the parents the school is on the hook for the bill until the child is released or cleared from whatever the needed help from in the beginning. Teachers as a whole are told specifically to never say anything as the school doesnt wanna pay for it all.

joe

[cstone]

I know that if my wife, who is a school teacher, says that a child needs help mentally/physically/educationally to the parents the school is on the hook for the bill until the child is released or cleared from whatever the needed help from in the beginning. Teachers as a whole are told specifically to never say anything as the school doesnt wanna pay for it all.

joe

If it is a public school, then you could substitute "the school" with "the local taxpayers." IMO we already pay a lot in taxes per student. How much more do we have to spend to make everyone healthy? How much do we have to spend to make everyone smart? How much more do we have to spend to make everyone equal? Let's make the question more broad. How much more do we have to spend to make everyone safe?

At least local governments, including school districts, can only spend what we give them. Let them print blank checks like the federal government. Look where that is taking us.

[BigMat]

If it is a public school, then you could substitute "the school" with "the local taxpayers." IMO we already pay a lot in taxes per student. How much more do we have to spend to make everyone healthy? How much do we have to spend to make everyone smart? How much more do we have to spend to make everyone equal? Let's make the question more broad. How much more do we have to spend to make everyone safe?

At least local governments, including school districts, can only spend what we give them. Let them print blank checks like the federal government. Look where that is taking us.

This is just an experience based guess.

I've worked in a psych hospital and on an ambulance.

The people in question, those that would be put into a mental institution, rarely if ever, are able to contribute monitarily to society, in fact the drain on society is rather large from my experience. Look at it like this, you drive a dude to an ER on an ambulance where he then spends the night to "get out of the cold" "to be safe from the voices" "because he's too high" etc. and then is released. you are looking at a bill in the neighborhood of 10-20 K. paid for by the US tax payers. Said dude will do this again frequently, perhaps every night, and no one in that chain can say no. sound unrealistic, sadly I was on a first name basis with many of Tucson's psych patient frequent fliers, it is very common.

Other option, open a place for them to stay, long term. It keeps them safer, keeps the public safer and will in term, cost much, much less. A night in the psych hospital was several hundred dollars, and that was for highly acute patients who had many needs, for longer term, less intense care, it would be significantly less expensive. Still costly, but by comparison to the emergency medical system, it would be vastly cheaper' by my estimation. That's not to mention the significant benefits for quality of life for these people and safety for all involved. We had to release patients when their time was up, knowing full well they could barely get by and we would see them again, some violent, with worries for their family and friends.

$.02...you're welcome, even if you didn't want it!

[cstone]

I respect your experience and concur. I saw the same thing from the "street cop" perspective.

We already spend money on all of the things I mentioned in my last post. That is why I asked "how much more do we have to spend?" If I knew what the actual, full cost was going to be, then I could make an informed decision. In reality, we are shooting at a moving target.

Uh oh, a gun metaphor. Now I'm guilty of using heated rhetoric. I apologize to all those who are offended

[ChadAmberg]

Maybe the 4473 form you must fill out needs to be changed.
"I’m sorry, we can’t sell you a firearm. You’ve checked here you voted for democratic candidates, and thus you fit the psychological profile of a mass murderer."

[CHA-LEE]

Why is it accepted that everyone is entitled to unlimited attempts at getting help? This on top of there being zero negative cost to the abuser?

How about this, you get three changes to leverage the "System" for help. On the third chance, your get a finger cut off. Then your Chances start over. Every third chance you get another finger cut off. This at least puts a very real and personal price to being a habitual fuck up.

You could even start by cutting off their trigger finger so the Gun Control people wouldn't have a leg to stand on when they blame firearms as the root cause of all evil.

I don't know if you can tell but I have zero remorse for the people that bleed our system dry without providing any positive input

[BigBear]

Waiting for the "you're a cold hearted bastard" people to chime in.

I completely agree with you Cha-Lee. I've said for a long time we need to go to a "three strikes and your out" program. Fourth strike and you get a bullet to the head. One or two examples to be made and our society would be a lot more pleasant to live in in about a week.

But for most heinous crimes it should be instant.
You murdered someone purposely? Boom.
I'm sorry, you "accidently killed" her when she fought back due to you mugging her? Boom.

etc.