What neat news from SHOT 2011?

[68Charger]

To top it off, Saiga was never mentioned by name- just an "shotgun importation ban"... except in the Prince Law blog

could have been the Taurus Raging Judge 28ga (if made in Brazil, would be imported, and by any measurement is legally a DD)

The ATF reportedly visited Taurus to inform them... this could all have started from a flippant remark by an agent, frustrated because Taurus apparently doesn't have lawyers smart enough to understand the DD definition...

[SAnd]

To top it off, Saiga was never mentioned by name- just an "shotgun importation ban"... except in the Prince Law blog

could have been the Taurus Raging Judge 28ga (if made in Brazil, would be imported, and by any measurement is legally a DD)

The ATF reportedly visited Taurus to inform them... this could all have started from a flippant remark by an agent, frustrated because Taurus apparently doesn't have lawyers smart enough to understand the DD definition...

Or it could be a ATF agent that doesn't understand how regulations and laws have been enforced in the past. You can't assume the ATF is correct given their history of inconsistent actions and flip-flops in the past.

My understanding is that in the past the ATF ruled that the bore for for a Destructive Device is measured across the top of the lands, not across the bottom of the grooves. The rifling for a 28 gauge is .498 across the tops of the lands. That's less than the magic half inch.

The only way we'll know is to wait and see what comes out eventually.

[68Charger]

Or it could be a ATF agent that doesn't understand how regulations and laws have been enforced in the past. You can't assume the ATF is correct given their history of inconsistent actions and flip-flops in the past.

My understanding is that in the past the ATF ruled that the bore for for a Destructive Device is measured across the top of the lands, not across the bottom of the grooves. The rifling for a 28 gauge is .498 across the tops of the lands. That's less than the magic half inch.

It has .052" deep rifling? (28 Ga = .550") That seems a bit excessive- but everything about it is excessive... put it next to a .410 Judge, and it makes them look tiny!
The other hurdle to pass muster as a pistol- what handgun round is it chambered for? Hard to pass it off as a pistol, when it only takes a shotgun round...

I certainly don't have any insight, and don't always assume the ATF is always correct... I was just guessing some more, in a way that doesn't involve instilling a panic-driven buying frenzy

[Irving]

Hard to pass it off as a pistol, when it only takes a shotgun round...

If that is the case, then there is no such thing an AK or AR pistol.

[DFBrews]

It has .052" deep rifling? (28 Ga = .550") That seems a bit excessive- but everything about it is excessive... put it next to a .410 Judge, and it makes them look tiny!
The other hurdle to pass muster as a pistol- what handgun round is it chambered for? Hard to pass it off as a pistol, when it only takes a shotgun round...

I certainly don't have any insight, and don't always assume the ATF is always correct... I was just guessing some more, in a way that doesn't involve instilling a panic-driven buying frenzy

If that is the case, then there is no such thing an AK or AR pistol.

I smell a new factory backed wild cat round!!

[68Charger]

If that is the case, then there is no such thing an AK or AR pistol.

don't give them any ideas....

I think those actually serve a purpose for them- it allows them to throw a "ban stick" at AP ammo... nothing illegal about AP rounds for rifles... but if someone makes a pistol in the caliber, then they have laws on the books to ban...

[Byte Stryke]

don't give them any ideas....

I think those actually serve a purpose for them- it allows them to throw a "ban stick" at AP ammo... nothing illegal about AP rounds for rifles... but if someone makes a pistol in the caliber, then they have laws on the books to ban...

FN Five-seven pistol is a classic example

[ChunkyMonkey]

ATI-GSG MP40 and STG44 in 22lr got my attention!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...4-rifle-22-lr/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ti-mp-40-22lr/

[TS12000]

ATI-GSG MP40 and STG44 in 22lr got my attention!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...4-rifle-22-lr/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ti-mp-40-22lr/

That'll turn some heads at the range

[reddevil1111]

Thought it was worth mentioning Saber says no left hand version for some time(years) if ever. Damn it!