finally some sense about global warming

[ChunkyMonkey]

la la la la la

[weirjf]

Believing that we are not having an effect on our planet is just sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "la-la-la"...

prove that we are

you can't, which is why the global warming fanatics are chasing their tails. They changed it from "global warming" to "climate change" but didn't change their "proof" and "reasoning" so basically we're insulating the planet against natural cooling but it is cooling the planet rather than warming it suddenly or warming some areas and cooling others... Acting like people that don't believe we are having this huge impact on the planet's climate is "sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "la-la-la"" doesn't prove it exists or doesn't exist either.

[DeusExMachina]

0.039% CO²
Almost four one-hundreths of ONE PERCENT of our 'air'.
Yeah... we're killin' ourselves.

There's 90,718.474 grams of "stuff" in an average human. What's one gram of arsenic going to do? That's .0000001 percent of a person, what's that going to do??

My point is that there has been a dramatic change in the contents of our atmosphere in the last 200 years compared to the previous 2 million. It is a good policy to reduce that change lest we get past the point of no return. Ignoring it is stupid.

prove that we are

you can't, which is why the global warming fanatics are chasing their tails. They changed it from "global warming" to "climate change" but didn't change their "proof" and "reasoning" so basically we're insulating the planet against natural cooling but it is cooling the planet rather than warming it suddenly or warming some areas and cooling others... Acting like people that don't believe we are having this huge impact on the planet's climate is "sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "la-la-la"" doesn't prove it exists or doesn't exist either.

You have 15 posts on this forum, I'm not going to do shit. You don't get the basic concept that altering the makeup of the atmosphere can cause changes that we are still studying. You also don't get the basic concept of insulation. Your house is insulated to keep the heat in during the summer, and also to keep the heat out in the summer. Greenhouse gases also reflect the sun's radiation as well as absorb it.

[ChunkyMonkey]

wow.. co2 to arsenic now eh.

[DeusExMachina]

wow.. co2 to arsenic now eh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

Because a fraction is a small portion of the whole does not make it less relevant.

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

Because a fraction is a small portion of the whole does not make it less relevant.

Yes it is. Small portion of CO2 does not kill, while the other does.

[Marlin]

Well back in my youth, more or less the same people were certian the "The new ice age" was on it's way. Within 10 years there would be a layer of ice 50' thick from the north pole to the equator.

Didn't happen.

A few years they were back, claiming the hole in the ozone was going to expand. Thus incinerating everything on earth.

Didn't happen.

Then they were sure "The big one" was going to hit the west coast. Making Boulder a ocean front town.

Didn't happen either..

Pardon my skepticism at this point my life. But, with thier track record with the end of the world predictions thus far. I'm not holding my breath on this one either.

[BPTactical]

I think Al Gore and all of the "Global Warming" douchebags should be forced to shovel all of our driveways and walks tonight at 0300.
Naked.
With no hot chocolate after.




Global warming myass, it's frickin cold outside!

[DeusExMachina]

Yes it is. Small portion of CO2 does not kill, while the other does.

Do you know for certain that doubling the amount of CO2 has not and will not have negative ramifications?

And Marlin, I think the hole in the ozone layer has shrunk due to recent efforts. Maybe I'm an optimist.

[Aloha_Shooter]

"Global warming" doesn't just mean the temp. gets warmer. This is why they have actually stopped calling it global warming and started calling it climate change instead, because it is confusing.

They started calling it "climate change" because they got caught trying to say the Earth was warming when temperatures have visibly declined.

"Now, with concentrations of greenhouse gases rising, Earth's remaining ice sheets (such as Greenland and Antarctica) are starting to melt too.

Nice try. Too bad for you that satellite observations show Antarctica's ice sheet is growing.

No one is really arguing against the fact the the polar ice is melting because we have satelitte images and on the ground studies where it can easily be seen, yet this one of the things that has a major impact on weather patterns (climate).

Arctic polar ice has been melting. Antarctic has been growing.

I just think that if we are (as a nation in general) going to argue about climate change that we need to understand what it actually is. It is a complex system that has a long line of causes and effects. It does not mean that it is getting hotter everywhere as the name 'global warming' implies. It means that our climate is changing in unexpected ways due to events triggered by increased heat trapped by all the crap we have been spewing into our air, not helped by the fact that we have and are cutting down our forests, which trap carbon and release oxygen.(A factor that is not usually discussed.)

I think that if you're going to engage in a discussion like this, you need to understand some basic science. Carbon is not an evil element -- it's the basis of life as we know it. In fact, carbon dioxide promotes plant growth which is the root of most food chains on Earth.

Fact: The Earth has been much warmer in the past, even the recent past, than it is today. Beyond the well-documented warm spells of the 1930s and 1910s, the "warming" often cited by unthinking environmentalists is part of several long term cycles including the recovery from a severe local minima during the Little Ice Age. Prior to the decline that resulted in the Little Ice Age, Great Britain and Greenland hosted vineyards (one of the reasons Michael Mann has been using "tricks" to try to "get rid" of the Medieval Warming Period.

Fact: While ten years is a period indicative of weather rather than climate, the General Circulation Models in use at the CRU still fail to predict the last ten years of cooling (if you listen to Gavin Schmidt and James Hansen, this was one of the warmest years on record -- good thing for them they get to cook the books before anyone else can see them!). The GCMs may have been updated this year to account for the feedback mechanism of cloud formation but as of last year they didn't.

Fact: Carbon dioxide isn't even the most powerful greenhouse gas. Water vapor is far more powerful WRT heat retention. Greens target carbon dioxide because it gives them the leverage to control every aspect of an industrial economy.

IMO Anthropogenic Global Warming is the greatest scientific fraud in the history of science.