finally some sense about global warming

[rockhound]

lets hope these senators are successful:

http://drudge.pricetweet.us/v3/hop.p...ow_article%3D1

[4gunfun]

Did you read the next to the last sentence? Who is ths AFV news outlet? I thought it was proven it is actually Gettin colder the last 8 yrs, and the LIBS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT MANIPULATING THE FACTS!!!!
Senators vow to strip Obama climate power | View Original
Conservative senators vowed Monday to strip President Barack Obama of his power to regulate greenhouse gases, in a move that would cripple US efforts on climate change if successful.
Eleven Republican senators introduced a bill that would stop the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases, which scientists blame for global warming, without explicit approval by Congress.
Under Obama, the federal agency has steadily increased standards on gas emissions. The Republicans accused Obama of circumventing Congress, where a so-called "cap-and-trade" bill to mandate emission curbs died last year.
"My bill will shrink Washington's job-crushing agenda and grow America's economy," said Senator John Barrasso, a Republican from Wyoming and skeptic of climate change who is leading the effort.
"I will do whatever it takes to ensure that Washington doesn't impose cap-and-trade policies in any form."
The Obama administration counters that a shift to green energy would help both the planet and the economy by creating a new source of high-paying jobs.
Senator John Kerry, a Democrat from Massachusetts who led last year's climate bill, hit back that Barrasso's proposal "puts the public health at risk and encourages the outsourcing of American jobs."
Democratic Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey accused the Republicans of doing the bidding of industrial emitters, saying: "The health of our children must come before the interests of polluters."
The Republicans swept November elections but the Democratic Party still controls the Senate and the White House, meaning that Obama can veto any effort to roll back powers on emissions.
But the proposal is another sign that it will be virtually impossible for the Democrats to pass legislation on climate change, which failed to pass even when the party controlled the House of Representatives and held a wider majority in the Senate.
The battle in Congress leaves the Obama administration with a delicate task as it tries to persuade China and other growing polluters to agree to a global plan on greenhouse gases.
Obama has pledged that the United States, the second largest emitter, will take action alongside other nations to fight climate change. Last year was the hottest on record and one of the worst in decades for natural disasters, according to scientists.
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[Lex_Luthor]

Why are they still pushing global warming agendas after the conspiracy was brought to light that there is no significant evidence supporting their theory? Isn't is closer to call it "global cooling"? WTF?

EDIT: haha beat me to it. ^^

[sniper7]

they now claim we will see more moisture, and more wicked winters because of global warming...oh wait, now they call it "climate change".

well no fucking shit. climate changes every day, and the seasons continue to happen every year.
more evidence has been shown that the planet will go through warming and cooling stages. lets just hope mother nature isn't ready for menopuase for a long time and has hot flashes that burn the shit out of all of us.

[spyder]

"Global warming" doesn't just mean the temp. gets warmer. This is why they have actually stopped calling it global warming and started calling it climate change instead, because it is confusing. The effect of the polar ice caps melting due to increased temp. sets off a chain effect that will have different affects on climate in different places. Here is a link to a fairly simple article explaining climate change done by National Geographic: http://environment.nationalgeographi...-overview.html

A quote from the article:
"Scientists often use the term "climate change" instead of global warming. This is because as the Earth's average temperature climbs, winds and ocean currents move heat around the globe in ways that can cool some areas, warm others, and change the amount of rain and snow falling. As a result, the climate changes differently in different areas."

and

"Now, with concentrations of greenhouse gases rising, Earth's remaining ice sheets (such as Greenland and Antarctica) are starting to melt too. The extra water could potentially raise sea levels significantly.
As the mercury rises, the climate can change in unexpected ways. In addition to sea levels rising, weather can become more extreme. This means more intense major storms, more rain followed by longer and drier droughts (a challenge for growing crops), changes in the ranges in which plants and animals can live, and loss of water supplies that have historically come from glaciers."

No one is really arguing against the fact the the polar ice is melting because we have satelitte images and on the ground studies where it can easily be seen, yet this one of the things that has a major impact on weather patterns (climate). Also, the more ice melts, the faster the rest will melt because open water reflects less of the sun's energy than ice does, which warms the water and the air above the water, making it harder for new ice to form. New ice does form every winter, but it is less than what melts every summer. They have also found that even satelitte does not show the full extent of the melt because on the ground studies have shown that a lot of what they thought was thick 'multi-year' ice is actually pretty thin ice that will mostly melt during summer.

I just think that if we are (as a nation in general) going to argue about climate change that we need to understand what it actually is. It is a complex system that has a long line of causes and effects. It does not mean that it is getting hotter everywhere as the name 'global warming' implies. It means that our climate is changing in unexpected ways due to events triggered by increased heat trapped by all the crap we have been spewing into our air, not helped by the fact that we have and are cutting down our forests, which trap carbon and release oxygen.(A factor that is not usually discussed.)

[DeusExMachina]

It is naive to think that all the shit we pump into the atmosphere is not having an effect.

[roberth]

It is naive to think that all the shit we pump into the atmosphere is not having an effect.

One volcano puts more stuff into the atmosphere than mankind has to this point in history and beyond.

I think we should take all the climate change idiots and stuff them into Mauna Loa so they do their part to stop climate change.

[Marlin]

That's what the hole in the ozone over the antartic is for,,,, pressure relief...

[DeusExMachina]

One volcano puts more stuff into the atmosphere than mankind has to this point in history and beyond.

I think we should take all the climate change idiots and stuff them into Mauna Loa so they do their part to stop climate change.

Got a source for that?

Do volcanos cut down the forests that process CO2, too?

[roberth]

Got a source for that?

Do volcanos cut down the forests that process CO2, too?

Not at the moment I don't.

I am going to have to spend some time looking up the claims for mankind's output and volcanic output. I may be wrong.