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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    Got a source for that?

    Do volcanos cut down the forests that process CO2, too?

    watched a show on discovery or history that said the trees in the very north and very south part of the hemisphere put out more oxygen than all humans could use, so I guess that is a good thing with all the deforestation going on.


    http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/eruption-corruption/

    factcheck says volcanoes on average don't do as much as humans do.

    ''150,000 to 300,000 tons of CO2 per day at the height of the Eyjafjallajokull eruption''

    "But the European Union’s air travel, which was shut down for days during the eruption, accounts for 3 percent of the EU’s total CO2 emissions, which according to the European Environment Agency was about 4,089 billion tons in 2008"

    info from USGS:
    http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php
    "Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year."

    the biggest threat from volcanoes is the massive amount of gasses that come out in large quantities. their relative percentages compared to the air we breathe, even in downtown smog filled cities can be pretty harmful.


    Over the last 100 years a lot of really good progress has been made as far as emissions go from airplanes and cars and boats and powerplants etc etc.
    but the number of the vehicles and planes and plants in use has also gone up.

    unfortunately, that is the way it is. people can bitch and moan and complain all they want. I fly jets, I drive my big 4x4's and ride my 4 wheelers and do what I want to do. I pay for it. I use the technology that is available. until the costs come down and the availability of new technology comes about, ain't shit gonna change.
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    The important thing is to make further progress. Besides environmental costs, the economic and political costs of using fossil fuels is huge.

    I had a discussion with a friend the other day, we could do a lot of damage to the middle east if we can get off oil as quickly as possible. We can also beat out China, who has a huge dependance on oil.

    I'm not some drippy hippy saying we need to ban gasoline or something, but in the name of progress and our future it would be a very good idea to be wary of how much we dump into the atmosphere, and work on alternative energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    It is naive to think that all the shit we pump into the atmosphere is not having an effect.
    I couldn't agree with you more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder View Post
    "Global warming" doesn't just mean the temp. gets warmer. This is why they have actually stopped calling it global warming and started calling it climate change instead, because it is confusing.
    no no no... they said that the overall temperatures of the planet have gone up several degrees and will continue to climb because we are creating unsustainable levels of carbon dioxide which is not allowing heat created by the sun to escape the planet's surface.

    Either heat is being trapped on the planet's surface because of our use of fossile fuels or it isn't. It is that wishy-washy "uhh... we said that but we meant this" garbage which shows us that it is utter BS meant to raise taxes and sell carbon credits. Either it is global warming which requires regulation of carbon levels or it is climate change which is a global anomaly or it is global cooling... which lets rip the converters off of our cars because I'm tired of freezing my balls off.


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    clean energy is a pipe dream.

    oil gives a multiple return on cost and energy spent to create it, and nothing like wind or solar can come close to it.

    things like wind and solar and especially ethanol all cost more to create than what they give. it's a losing proposition, and not a viable basis for a profitable company.

    but govt wants to shove this losing proposition down our throats and use their endless supply of money (our taxes, our money) to plug the gap and cover the loss.

    it's wasteful, expensive and not any better than what we currently have but it "feels" good and it's for the greater good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY

    and all these yahoos also fail to realize that we get a hell of a lot more from crude oil than just gasoline, and many of those things can't be replaced.

    of course we might be closer to some totally green, cheap, renewable energy if the govt hadn't been slashing funding for technology R&D in favor of social programs for the last 30 years.

    and never mind the fact that we have the resources to be completely self sufficient.

    nope, we need to "go green" by giving up all our green as taxes for nifty shit that they'll say we make too much to qualify for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    It is naive to think that all the shit we pump into the atmosphere is not having an effect.
    I think that we are fleas on a dog and once the dog has had enough it will shake us free. Volcanos send more "global warming" polutants into the atmosphere than anything else on the planet and they have been doing so since before the industrial age of man.

    don't get me wrong, lets clean it up so we're not having to breathe it in and drink it in our water... but clean up the crap for the sake of just cleaning it up... don't do it because its making the planet hotter... no colder... no its just changing weather patterns... no, wait... its just an excuse to make carbon credits to pay for turtle tunnels

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    I thought I'd learned my lesson before... to stay out of these type threads...
    (All that about 'being beaten with experience' and that)
    But, heck... I guess not...
    [RANT ON]
    Since about 1750 human activity has increased the concentration of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. Measured atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide are currently 100 ppmv higher than pre-industrial levels.[1] Natural sources of carbon dioxide are more than 20 times greater than sources due to human activity,[2] but over periods longer than a few years natural sources are closely balanced by natural sinks, mainly photosynthesis of carbon compounds by plants and marine plankton.
    1. "Climate Change 2001: Working Group I: The Scientific Basis: figure 6-6". http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig6-6.htm. Retrieved 1 May 2006.
    2. "The present carbon cycle - Climate Change". Grida.no. http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/13.htm. Retrieved 2010-10-16.
    That is from THE GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISTS THEMSELVES.

    Use the brain God gave you...

    If natural sources of CO² are 20 TIMES higher than sources due to human activity - and the natural fluxations (sinks and rises) are therefore 20 times higher...

    And CO² is not the largest... but the SECOND largest greenhouse gas:

    Water Vapor - H2O 36 – 72%
    Carbon Dioxide - CO2 - 9 – 26%
    Methane - CH4 4 – 9 %
    Ozone - O3 3 – 7 %
    What should we do?
    Oh - yeah...

    The GOVERNMENT should spend freaking BILLIONS of the USA's (your) money to forcibly modify human behavior?

    The GOVERNMENT should install thermostats in YOUR HOUSE so YOU don't use too much energy?

    For a half a degree of temp over a hundred years?

    Haven't you seen the proof that plants grow better in a richer CO² environment?
    That, my friends is what you call a mutualistic, symbiotic relationship...
    Just one of natures little checks and balances that we are just TOO FREAKING SMART TO UNDERSTAND.

    One thing these folks never mention is the supporting data that reveals the industrial revolution is directly responsible for them being alive.
    Yes - IT IS the reason the expected human life span has increased from ~30 to ~65...
    Doubling your expected life span...
    gotta stop that...
    and while your at it...
    Do us all a favor and stop breathing.

    Sheeh - normally sane people, hypnotized with this 'climate change' spiel turn their brain directly to the OFF position.

    To summarize MY PERSONAL POSITION on this matter:
    Yes, humans affect the atmosphere.
    Albiet, not in the grandiose way the alarmists would have you think.
    Is that necessarily a bad thing? What YOU PERSONALLY DON"T KNOW?!
    All the possible negative implications are being blown out of porportion...
    For what you ask?
    MONEY, YOU FOOLS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    I've got some source for you:

    Fact, greenhouse gasses account for less than 2% of the global climate model, which has not changed. It was the same when I was in school, when you were in school, but it isn't curriculum anymore, because it conflicts with the religion of carbon-cause climate change according to the profit (oop, sorry, prophet) with financial motives, al-gore, and those like him. Data on the other 98% of the climate model isn't even historically available.

    Fact, of that 2%, carbon dioxide is a minority contributor. METHANE is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide is. If you believe CO2 is causing "climate change", then PETA is correct and its actually cows causing it.

    Fact: We have less than 40 years of global data that can be considered scientifically accurate, but "climate change" scientists make broad statements on how things have been, or how they will be, based on less than four decades of evidence. This is akin to seeing a single frame of a movie, one sixtieth of a second, and telling everybody what the plot is going to be, and how it ends.

    Fact: It's scientifically impossible to determine actual temperature prior to phsyical measurement and recording. All that is possible is "guessing", with HUGE margins of error. Find the 10,000 year temperature graphs that you so diligently base your faith in your religion in. Notice they say accuracy to (1/10th of a degree) or some other load of horse crap. Now, look at scientific charts from other points of view, and notice they have as much as 10 degrees of variation, but show the general peaks and lands and still claim 1/10th of a degree of accuracy. Guess what, both are bullshit. Through all means, they are LUCKY, and I mean LUCKY, if they get a margin of error that's 5-10 degrees. Yet their entire "cooling" and "warming" trends are by the tenth of the degree. Can you not smell the bullshit? And no, I don't mean cavemen didn't have thermometers. I mean the vibration of atoms leaves no record. All they have to go on is barometric pressures in bubbles, size of tree rings, etc. Do you honestly think you can guess the temperature to a tenth of a degree by looking at a flipping tree ring? So, each side (pro global warming, anti global warming) looks at the same set of data, and "interprets" it to the extreme ends of the margin of error to prove a point... they call it valid because its "inside the margin of error" but it is not science. It's perception.

    But, I do believe in the free expression of religion, so carry on. Don't try to pretend its anything more than blind faith in a "theory", because the real evidence doesn't exist (and it doesn't exist either way).

    And don't call for evidence disproving it as there is no evidence proving it in the first place. The burden of proof rests on the theory, not the status quo. I could make up a theory that three legged aliens live in the core of the earth, are you supposed to believe it with blind faith just cause I said so? Or should I have to prove it before its made into curriculum in the K-12 educational system.

    Last fact: Carbon caused "climate change" is an invented assumption that has its roots mostly driven by politics, it demonizes the things that certain people want to be demonized; also people that tend to already dislike those things (factories, oil, etc.) will tend to believe it just for that fact. Instant followers of a religion.

    Oh and ETA: Don't make any assumptions as to my bias with things. I actually KNOW a way to get us off oil dependance, but I don't think I'll ever see it in my lifetime, despite how much I'd like to see it realized. The difference is, I want it because its politically and economically beneficial. How would you like to drive across country for $20-$40 instead of $1500 and not have to worry about international issues? This is called intelligence.

    Doing something because "herpa derp I'm reducin' emissions" is just peons of a religion.
    You didn't link any sources.

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    Measurements from Antarctic ice cores show that before industrial emissions started atmospheric CO2 levels were about 280 parts per million by volume (ppmv), and stayed between 260 and 280 during the preceding ten thousand years.[34] Carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere have gone up by approximately 35 percent since the 1900s, rising from 280 parts per million by volume to 387 parts per million in 2009. ...

    Because of the way air is trapped in ice (pores in the ice close off slowly to form bubbles deep within the firn) and the time period represented in each ice sample analyzed, these figures represent averages of atmospheric concentrations of up to a few centuries rather than annual or decadal levels.

    Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the concentrations of most of the greenhouse gases have increased. For example, the concentration of carbon dioxide has increased by about 36% to 380 ppmv, or 100 ppmv over modern pre-industrial levels. The first 50 ppmv increase took place in about 200 years, from the start of the Industrial Revolution to around 1973; however the next 50 ppmv increase took place in about 33 years, from 1973 to 2006.[38]

    Recent data also shows that the concentration is increasing at a higher rate. In the 1960s, the average annual increase was only 37% of what it was in 2000 through 2007.
    Emissions are rising at an unprecedented rate.

    Also, methane degrades into water and CO2 in a relatively short time. Compared to:

    Carbon dioxide has a variable atmospheric lifetime, and cannot be specified precisely.[61] Recent work indicates that recovery from a large input of atmospheric CO2 from burning fossil fuels will result in an effective lifetime of tens of thousands of years.
    Believing that we are not having an effect on our planet is just sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "la-la-la"...

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    Dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.039% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.
    Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1 -4%.

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    Atmospheric gases are often divided up into the major, constant components and the highly variable components, as listed below:

    Constant Components. Proportions remain the same over time and location.
    Nitrogen (N2) 78.08%
    Oxygen (O2) 20.95%
    Argon (Ar) 0.93%
    Neon, Helium, Krypton 0.0001%

    Variable Components. Amounts vary over time and location.
    Carbon dioxide (CO2)0.038%
    Water vapor (H20)0-4%
    Methane (CH4)trace
    Sulfur dioxide (SO2)trace
    Ozone (O3)trace
    Nitrogen oxides (NO, NO2, N2O)trace


    0.039% CO²
    Almost four one-hundreths of ONE PERCENT of our 'air'.
    Yeah... we're killin' ourselves.
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