Quote Originally Posted by spyder View Post
I don't get some of the arguements and comments made on some of these posts... For some of you I don't think anyone can change your mind on the topic because you apparently know everything, right? Once again like I see people say all the time, list a source other than some reporter that doesn't know a damn thing saying the same ignorant comment my 5 year old pops off with of "it's cold, so, there is no such thing as global warming/climate change" because that is completely ignorant. You might as well say that global warming/climate change doesn't exist because your mama said so. I could list countless studies done by NASA, Harvard, Stanford, numerous other legit scientific communities and way too many other credible sources that have had actual data on this subject. Like I said though, for many of you it wouldn't matter who or what came up with the data, you would blindly turn your head away and walk off. I guess everyone is out to get your "briliant" minds that don't need any actual information about a subject to know that what you think about it is right. I don't even know why some of you even post in threads like this. Your mind is set, and you just want to argue instead of trying to have an intelligent conversation. Some of you make retarded jack ass comments toward others because of the way they think. What's up with that? Pull your head out and stop trying to be pricks. Most of the time, those that attack others in these forums just sound really immature and stupid. I originally posted in this thread expecting an intellectual discussion, not a bunch of whiney butt hurt people talking about things that they don't appear to actually know anything about till they google it right before they post a comment. As amusing as some of the comments on here are, I would really like to see proof. Not because I don't believe you, well, I guess it is because I don't believe you, but if the actual study or science behind your comment makes more sense than what I have read or believe, I could make up my mind for myself on rather or not to change what it is that I believe in.
The global warming community lost most people because they were in the streets with "proof" that the overall temperature of the globe was rising because increased carbon emissions were insulating the earth from allowing surface heat to escape. Either it is or it isn't. Then they changed it to "climate change" but didn't change their definition of the cause. Then we add the issues of the strongest cases being full of fictional findings to make their case and the very next year they changed it from "global warming" to "climate change".

The polar ice caps are reducing? The areas south of them are getting record low temperatures. Maybe it is something else? Maybe it is part of the natural flow of climate change that has been going on since the beginning? It doesn't instill confidence in their theories and until they can prove that it is something we are causing and can fix, I can't rationalize throwing the amount money at it that we are. I can't support carbon credits based on it, smart grids planned to be used as a control tool to tax people more rather than just efficient use of electricity.

Global Warming, Climate Change... whatever... same as a gun; how you use it determines on how people are going to perceive it. I see it more as a tool of control and making money than saving the planet.