finally some sense about global warming

[Aloha_Shooter]

I learned back in school that the arguement of global warming was about what the warming affect in the warmer months does to the weather patterns, or climate. There was no mention of "climate change" back then. Also, I don't know where you have been, but it has also been noted globally that since the mid 90's, the temperature has gone up, in record numbers. Not new news on that one.

It has been noted by the likes of Gavin Schmidt. On the other hand, if you look at the satellite records from the University of Alabama Huntsville and Dr. Roy Spencer, you'll find that overall trend this decade has been downward. Also check Lucia's Blackboard (Lucia by the way is in the middle of the road on the issue -- she believes the Earth is warming but seems to believe that Schmidt, Hansen, Jones, Mann et al have overstated the strength of their evidence, understated and downplayed evidence against their case and (at least with respect to the Climategate emails) perverted the scientific process. Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr. is another one like Lucia -- I highly recommend his book, "The Climate Fix." Dr. Robert Carter explains things even you might be able to understand in "Climate: The Counter-Consensus".

I would have to say here that you are wrong. I don't know where you are getting your information from, but if you are going to attack what it is that I said, you should get your info strait. Otherwise, you look like a jack ass. Here is a quote strait from NASA, you know, the people with the satellites lookin down: "Gravity data collected from space using NASA's Grace satellite show that Antarctica has been losing more than a hundred cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice each year since 2002. The latest data reveal that Antarctica is losing ice at an accelerating rate, too."

You can say it all you want -- the facts are that you're incorrect. Just look at the overhead photos and you will see that the Antarctica ice cover has grown overall. The East Antarctica Ice Sheet has grown in mass every year from 1992-2003 (satellite radar measurements) presumably due to increased snowfall. Of course, the detailed situation is more complicated: The areas near the Antarctic Peninsula are warming slightly while the other side of the continent has generally cooled and while one ice shelf has collapsed, other ice shelves have grown. Lots of coverage on this at the Air Vent, Climate Audit, Watt's Up With That, etc. Oh and changes in the Greenland Ice Sheet appear to be due more to changes in the gulfstream flow.

Again, not to point out that you are wrong, but, you are. They are both melting. Actual scientific data proves this.

Not to point out that you are wrong but you are -- actual scientific data proves this. Again, see the satellite record from UAH.

Funny I posted a recent comment about how people shouldn't sound like morons by talking shit. I graduated from Worcester Polytechnic Institure with a degree in Biotechnology. You might be right though, maybe that doesn't make me a good candidate to talk about science... Pull your head out.

You should take your own advice. I'll see your BS in Biotech from WPI and raise you with a MS in Applied Physics from JHU and 20 years of scientific and engineering analysis. Of course, we're both trumped by Dr. Hal Lewis who is only Emeritus Professor of Physics at UCSB and resigned from the APS over their participation in the AGW fraud. You might get some support from Dr. Gavin Schmidt since he's the one who publishes the ivory tower pronouncements about "warmest year in XXXX" but I'll just have to point out his doctorate is in computer science, not physics.

Did I say Carbon was evil? I don't remember saying that...

No but all you can quote are "decarbonization" schemes as if carbon was some evil little element. If you want to talk about a need for sustainable energy, I'll be with you as that's a genuine national security and economic need, but if you keep talking about decarbonization as some magic remedy like Al Gore then you're lumped in with the anti-science Greens in my book.

Fact: The Earth has been much warmer in the past, even the recent past, than it is today. Fact: Your fact is wrong, don't post ignorant shit that is supposed to be used to debunk someone else or make them look stupid, otherwise, you look like the stupid one.

Yeah, I guess looking at the geologic records would be ignorant to you. Archaeological evidence from the vineyards in Greenland and Great Britain would also be "ignorant shit". The Medieval Warming Period has been well-documented for centuries -- until Michael Mann tried to rewrite history. I'll leave it to you to try to grow grapes in Greenland now since you think things are SO warm.

You keep talking about ignorance yet you know NOTHING about the geological or historical records? Just what the heck do they teach "biotechnology" majors these days? You want a good argument but you come into this without having actually looked into the science behind the crap you spout? Guys like you are why Mike Mann, Phil Jones and Gavin Schmidt have been able to get away with the massive fraud they've been spreading.

You can find copies of the historical record (before Gavin Schmidt "adjusted" it) documented at Climate Audit and The Air Vent.

As you say, if you're going to argue, try to do it intelligently. So far, all you do is spout "False!" "You're ignorant" and other ad hominems. I've given you sources -- now go use that WPI degree and look some of them up.