Constitutional Carry Act of 2011

[DeusExMachina]

"To include that there is" says to me that "this is already in place, so we are including it in the bill". I would think "to include a" would have meant it is new.

Not sure though...I think the email is just worded poorly.

It makes sense though. I believe you need to be 21 to get a CCW permit, so needing to be 21 to constitutional carry makes sense.

[newracer]

It depends on how it is actually worded. If it states that under 21 cannot posses or own a handgun then I am against it. If it states that if under 21 you cannot CC than I am OK with it but I think it should be 18 not 21.

[newracer]

I'm pretty sure the bill was amended to include that you cannot purchase and carry a handgun if you are under 21, which is already a law.

Not true, you can purchase a handgun at 18, just not from an FFL, private sale is fine and gift is fine. Also you can open carry at 18.

[DeusExMachina]

Not true, you can purchase a handgun at 18, just not from an FFL, private sale is fine and gift is fine. Also you can open carry at 18.

I meant from an FFL and I meant concealed.

[Bitter Clinger]

"To include that there is" says to me that "this is already in place, so we are including it in the bill". I would think "to include a" would have meant it is new.

Not sure though...I think the email is just worded poorly.

It makes sense though. I believe you need to be 21 to get a CCW permit, so needing to be 21 to constitutional carry makes sense.

So a 20 year old kids right to protect himself is not as important as a 21 year olds? Not trying to start a fight but I disagree with this on many different levels. A 20 year old can fight and die for America, A 20 year old can buy a home, a car, and raise children of his own(my father was 20 when I was born).

And I am not trying to single you out Deus, right now the current CCW law is for those 21 and over only, so it wont change anything really. I have just never understood the mentality of the whole 21 and firearms thing. If the law considers you an adult at 18 then you should treated as an adult. Hell I even think 3.2 bars should be allowed.

[ghettodub]

While I don't entirely disagree with you, that's a whole different argument. I think if you can go fight overseas for our country, you should be able to drink a beer, buy a handgun, etc.

[FireMoth]

Yeah, i would like to see an initiative to allow or soldiery to be armed while on military reservations. Of all the people to forbid arms to....

[DeusExMachina]

So a 20 year old kids right to protect himself is not as important as a 21 year olds? Not trying to start a fight but I disagree with this on many different levels. A 20 year old can fight and die for America, A 20 year old can buy a home, a car, and raise children of his own(my father was 20 when I was born).

And I am not trying to single you out Deus, right now the current CCW law is for those 21 and over only, so it wont change anything really. I have just never understood the mentality of the whole 21 and firearms thing. If the law considers you an adult at 18 then you should treated as an adult. Hell I even think 3.2 bars should be allowed.

Do not put words in my mouth. I never said anything like that. That is just how it is. I do not think its right nor do I think the drinking age is right.

[FireMoth]

Before we get at each other throats, i think we can recognize that with the exception of the second amendment, guns laws in this country are by and large ridiculous.

Acknowledging that, the bills authors conceded to rules already established by the existing CCW law, so that this measure has a chance of passing.
So, they added wording that indicates that the 21 years of age restriction woudl not be changed by this bill.

the bill from its inception, sought to leave the existing CCW law in place, and simply open its availability.
Allowing concealed carry for minors, just as it may be, inadvertently challenges the federal restriction that requires hand gun purchasers to be 21. It isn't a big logical leap to say that forbidding some one to buy a hand gun but allowing them to conceal one doesn't make sense.

Again, i disagree with that restriction, as well as every other gun law since the second amendment, but i appreciate the utility of accepting these limitations so that one change can be made at a time.
The alternative being that the bill would not have a chance, i think its an acceptable compromise.

Getting some of our liberty back will hopefully set the stage to get more.

[ghettodub]

Before we get at each other throats, i think we can recognize that with the exception of the second amendment, guns laws in this country are by and large ridiculous.

Acknowledging that, the bills authors conceded to rules already established by the existing CCW law, so that this measure has a chance of passing.
So, they added wording that indicates that the 21 years of age restriction woudl not be changed by this bill.

the bill from its inception, sought to leave the existing CCW law in place, and simply open its availability.
Allowing concealed carry for minors, just as it may be, inadvertently challenges the federal restriction that requires hand gun purchasers to be 21. It isn't a big logical leap to say that forbidding some one to buy a hand gun but allowing them to conceal one doesn't make sense.

Again, i disagree with that restriction, as well as every other gun law since the second amendment, but i appreciate the utility of accepting these limitations so that one change can be made at a time.
The alternative being that the bill would not have a chance, i think its an acceptable compromise.

Getting some of our liberty back will hopefully set the stage to get more.

Agreed