Firearms Bill of Sale

[Irving]

What does the Bill of Sale have to do with the situation though?

[Aloha_Shooter]

The bill of sale is not a legal requirement although a good idea to protect both sides of a transaction.

What you have to have to keep everything legal is proof of residency (e.g., CO driver's license) -- BUT his military ID to show current active duty status and a copy of his PCS orders showing he is stationed here in Colorado meets the legal requirement. You (or she) don't even have to keep a copy of his orders, just see them to verify authenticity.

[ldmaster]

The ATF does a trace forward, they show up at your door and you tell them you sold it to John Doe. End of story.

Again, protect from WHAT?

lawsuits will happen REGARDLESS of a bill of sale, especially if the person you sold the weapon to used it illegally, again regardless of a bill of sale.

In face, it shows that you DID sell it to a person, and did you do a background check? Let a lawyer get ahold of that one in court.

It protects against exactly nothing, and provides some false sense of safety from government prosecution or civil lawsuit.

Here's the ATF rule...

If you are an ACTIVE DUTY member of the armed forces, or NG assigned to active duty you can purchase a firearm in your home "state of residence" (the one you declare for tax purchases) OR in the state to which you have been assigned via PCS orders (permanent change of station)

if you are in transit, or TDY or TAD you cannot purchase in the state you are in.

[SA Friday]

"Uh, oh ya, I sold that to some guy on line. what's his name.... Something like '2nd amendment guy'. Can't remember his name. It was like 5 years ago."

Or

"I don't own that pistol anymore. I sold it 5 years ago. I don't remember his name, but I wrote it down along with his drivers license number when I checked it to see if he was over 21. I'll go get that info for you."

I've done thousands of interviews. I know which one is going to end in thanks and which one ends in a back seat ride.

He wants to do a bill of sale, good on him.

check his PCS orders like advised and you should be fine.

[Byte Stryke]

"Uh, oh ya, I sold that to some guy on line. what's his name.... Something like '2nd amendment guy'. Can't remember his name. It was like 5 years ago."

Or

"I don't own that pistol anymore. I sold it 5 years ago. I don't remember his name, but I wrote it down along with his drivers license number when I checked it to see if he was over 21. I'll go get that info for you."

I've done thousands of interviews. I know which one is going to end in thanks and which one ends in a back seat ride.

He wants to do a bill of sale, good on him.

check his PCS orders like advised and you should be fine.

I Sold it in a private party sale.
Who'd I Sell it to? I am not required to get a bill of sale nor am I required to maintain records of private party sales.
Those are for FFL Holders.

but thanks and have a great day.

[ldmaster]

you forgot that you are supposed to answer all questions put to you by any person in authority!! Your rights are totally abrogated upon the needs of the "people"!

Bad sheep!

[Irving]

I wasn't trying to start this argument. What I meant to ask was, "Is the wording on the Bill of Sale going to change because he is not a resident of this state?"

Sorry to confuse and rile.

[SA Friday]

you forgot that you are supposed to answer all questions put to you by any person in authority!! Your rights are totally abrogated upon the needs of the "people"!

Bad sheep!

I don't mind answering questions when its appropriate. I'm very familiar with the law and the ramifications of the various aspects of an investigation and any proceeding criminal and civil trials. I've been through a couple hundred or so. Play it however you feel is right for you. Just don't bash anyone for doing a BOS because you think it's the right way.

sheep, wow, you really don't know me at all.

[Jumpstart]

I Sold it in a private party sale.
Who'd I Sell it to? I am not required to get a bill of sale nor am I required to maintain records of private party sales.
Those are for FFL Holders.

but thanks and have a great day.

yep. Let's keep it simple, private and Constitutional. A BOS is NOT required and it shouldn't be cultivated that it is required imho. Some would say paperwork on guns is dangerous.

[MrPrena]

It will be very hard to remember any transction 5years ago.
I can probably look it up on my email, and give them their name,email, and phone number (if available).

If it is disconnected, they can goto the telecommunication company and find it themselves.