Hospitals in AZ potentially to require proof of citizenship

[BigMat]

NOW... that being said, I Do not believe that ANY Person, Illegal or otherwise with a life threatening condition should be turned away.

This is not possible-

For example, the first person I transported who died-

picked him up for Diarrhea (the glories of EMS)
dropped him at the hospital doing compresions


He was having a heart attack, wouldn't have known until it was too late

[Byte Stryke]

This is not possible-

For example, the first person I transported who died-

picked him up for Diarrhea (the glories of EMS)
dropped him at the hospital doing compresions


He was having a heart attack, wouldn't have known until it was too late

well if you dropped him at the hospital doing compressions his citizenship status would not have been questioned until you dropped him off... correct?
The whole article is about Hospitals doing this, not Ambulances.
Once again, if you are concerned about getting caught breaking the law, Don't.

[BigMat]

well if you dropped him at the hospital doing compressions his citizenship status would not have been questioned until you dropped him off... correct?
The whole article is about Hospitals doing this, not Ambulances.
Once again, if you are concerned about getting caught breaking the law, Don't.

What if he walked in the door is what I am saying. Triage nurse turns him around? dies on the curb? thats great for business, I'm sure hospitals will be all over this

[BigMat]

Just to take another view on this-
I work in health care
cops, BP, ICE etc. work in law enforcement.

I did not sign up to enforce anything, I am trained to not judge my patients.


This is making those who have no desire to do this, who have no training to do this, and have no place doing this, and I worked/work for a private business, do something because law enforcement at every level keeps failing at it.

Maybe we should be asking why the border is so open that nurses need to be doing imigration busts!

[Irving]

I'm not comfortable with doctors enforcing the law, just as much as I'm not comfortable with politicians trying to run health care.

I guess you guys would like to start the new motto of "When seconds count, your ID is only miles away."

I don't like illegals anymore than any of you guys do. I actually cry a little every time I go to King Soopers and everyone always knows about "that lone, teary-eyed, gringo" that shops there. A law like this would be terrible for everyone though. My fiance isn't a citizen, but she is a permanent resident, has lived here longer than I have, has supported me, more or less, since I lost my job (the first time) in 2008, and has more "American Values" than I'll have in my entire life. Alas, she looks like a *Mexican. She is the one with the health insurance for her and our daughter. We all carry our info all the time, but God forbid something happens and her, or our daughter's, proof of citizenship isn't available.

In case I have to spell it out. If some dumb fuck thinks that he/she is being patriotic and denies service to my family in a life threatening emergency, they won't be making it home to their family, ever. It won't matter who thought who was American then.




*Call her a Mexican and she'll unsheath her machete and redecorate your face.

[BigMat]

*Call her a Mexican and she'll unsheath her machete and redecorate your face.

Just a guess, Guatemalan?


Also, I fully agree. It's not my place just as much as I am not asking cab drivers, pilots, or plumbers to check ID and make sure your customer isn't a felon before saying hello.

[BigMat]

End of the day, this isn't going to work, regardless of the law.

The amount of time it would take to check citizenship, would negate the whole purpose of this, and then when you eventually find out and I am not going to be the man to unplug the balloon pump, say "sorry buddy, didn't pay" and ship the corpse back to Mexico. Good luck finding the nurse or doctor who will.

[Irving]

Just a guess, Guatemalan?

Heh, nah, more south. On the right track though.

I have to agree that the answer to failure in the law enforcement, isn't to start recruiting a bunch of nurses. Besides, people who work in hospitals are mostly all a bunch of bleeding hearts and wouldn't turn people in anyway.

[Byte Stryke]

In case I have to spell it out. If some dumb fuck thinks that he/she is being patriotic and denies service to my family in a life threatening emergency, they won't be making it home to their family, ever. It won't matter who thought who was American then.

wow, talk about twisting the argument.

No one ever said Deny service in a life threatening emergency.
I believe I Said the opposite.

But yeah, threatening to intentionally kill people makes a perfectly logical point.

[BigMat]

wow, talk about twisting the argument.

No one ever said Deny service in a life threatening emergency.
I believe I Said the opposite.

But yeah, threatening to intentionally kill people makes a perfectly logical point.

I would like to agree Byte, but I guess what I am having a hard time saying is that it isn't possible. The way health care works and service denial, just doesn't work at an ER level, which is where this issue exists. Once they make it to the floor, hospital admin, has shumcks like me drive little baby girls back to Mexico to die in a hovel because we don't want to spend our tax dollars, already. At the door, you can't turn someone away because of ID, period. It will not work, ever, if you want health care to be a remotely ethical and efficient process.

Also-
I will say I find it funny how many want gov't involvment in health care for "this," because its wrong/wastefull, but want them to stay the hell out for "that," because they screw everything up. Seems to me you should pick one and stick to it.