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    ALWAYS TRYING HARDER Ah Pook's Avatar
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    I've been doing business with Grandpas for years and never had a problem. Never done a transfer with them, though.

    I know of gun shops that will not do internet transfers. Their job is to sell guns, not be a cheap FFL for the interweb.

    What is involved in returning a firearm to a seller? Say the firearm is not as advertised or the FFL is being a prick. Does the FFL ship it back at the buyers expense?

    Oh, I fawkin' hate Pawn Stars. The son and his side kick are morons.
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    I guess my biggest problem with this guy is the fact he advertised and agreed to one price and when he found out where it was coming from, the price changed.
    Pretty sure that's illegal.
    It's definitely immoral.

    If you do not want to do FFL transfers from wholesalers, say so.
    Don't f*ck the customer after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mx'r View Post
    What a dumbass. Dealers like this NEED to go out of business. If dealer price is $425 delivered, these kinds of guys will charge $575 + tax. They are the ones fucking up the gun industry. I'm sorry, but I run a company too and I know what overhead is. Grandpa needs to retire.
    While I think what he did was unethical at the least, and while I'm "sure" Rod has never, ever shopped at Walmart or Kmart or any other discounter, I have a hard time believing you think a 35% gross margin is excessive if you run your own company. What do you think Apple's or Intel's gross margins are?

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    dealers can charge whatever they want obviously but i voice my opinion with my wallet on the other hand i would't have ever transfered with grandpas guns in the first place if they charge 35 bucks for a transfer. 25 is usually the norm that i find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackal View Post
    While I think what he did was unethical at the least, and while I'm "sure" Rod has never, ever shopped at Walmart or Kmart or any other discounter, I have a hard time believing you think a 35% gross margin is excessive if you run your own company. What do you think Apple's or Intel's gross margins are?

    In the construction world your lucky to see 10%. 35% is a fucking joke in any business. I'm finding work all over the place and paying bills, while lot's of others are drawing off of my taxes. Maybe running a buisness like a jackass has it's perks after all.... In this economy people are lucky to even have customers. Cheap transfers = people looking around in your shop for 1/2 hour or so. If you want to be OUT of business quick, try making 35% margin on all your sales. Nobody will be in your shop. Grandpa is a Jackass for his actions, arguing the point any further would make me a Jackass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mx'r View Post
    In the construction world your lucky to see 10%. 35% is a fucking joke in any business.
    I would love 10%! Granted, I'm just starting out, but I lose money all the time.

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    In that Grandpa response to The Ginsue, he said, "I've been here 112 years, sold 25000 guns, have a good business, plan on being here a long time without Buds, Who's going to do your transfers when there are no retailers????"

    112 years is one hell of a long time. It still sounds to me like collecting a fee of $35.00 is damn easy money for processing a FFL transfer. The firm doing the transfer has no money tied up in the firearm, and making that phone call for the background check sure can't cost much or really take that much phone time.
    Now, I know that when saying the following that I am like comparing "apples to oranges" but here we have at least ONE good thing for the gun show consumers that State of Colorado has established and that is that FFL dealers at gunshows may NOT charge more than ten bucks ($10) for handling a transfer at gun shows.
    Even though I too am a old Grandpa, I'm sure as hell not that type of Grandpa that would go back on my word, especially printed word.
    I will "bust my ass" to stick with my word when I give it, kinda like the old fashion handshake bond.

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    I Firmly believe he has the right to charge whatever he wants, as long as its the same price advertised and/or agreed on.
    If the Guy wants to charge $35.00, fine.
    Just say so.

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    I have learned from this thread. I want to get a fair deal and I want to support a local business. The few times I buy a new gun, will be at Green Mountain Guns from here on out. Unless they give me a reason not to do business there.

    I'm also going to check out 5280 Armory. My only day off is Sunday and now that I know they are open on Sundays, I'm gooing to give them a try. I have heard good things about them.

    Ol' Grandpa can kiss my ass. Not just Grandpa but any small local business, with an attitude like his.

    "Support Your Local Business", does not mean, spending your money with some no customer service giving, grumpy old fuck.

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    I laughed at the part about how difficult it is for his staff to have to locate a specific gun in case it needs to be sent back. Are they squirreling them away all over the store or something?
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