I ruined dinner

[mcantar18c]

Ugh... my aunt is in town, staying at my grandmother's. I was over working on her car and when I finished my grandma invited me to stay for dinner.
Short version: I called my aunt a libtard and left before I'd gotten 3 bites in.




Long version (venting my frustrations):
My aunt (actually my great-aunt) is from Israel. My mom's dad's side of the family... she's my grandpas sister and is visiting cause he's not doing to well. She has a son a few years younger than me who is about to start his term with the military (required in Israel, as I'm sure you know). Said son is coming into town on Wednesday, and I figured I'd take him shooting (what 18 year old, military-bound male wouldn't enjoy shooting stuff with his cousin?). So I mentioned this to his mom.... bad idea.
Aunt: "So Gabe is gonna be here on Wednesday."
Me: "Yup, I've heard. I'm gonna take him shooting on Thursday, I think he'd enjoy it."
"Oh God what? No, please don't. Don't even mention it to him, I don't want him going hunting or shooting or anything like that."
"Uh... why not?"
"Cause... I don't want him around guns. They're dangerous and.... he could get hurt and..... accidents can---"
(cutting her off) "Accidents? No such thing. Ignorance with guns can lead to unfortunate consequences, just like driving a vehicle, but I can guarantee if he's around me that won't happen."
"Well... I just don't want him doing it, ok?"
"He's going into the military... where his competency with a firearm will be the deciding factor in whether he comes home or not. Not to mention, he's over 18 and can go out to a firing range and on his own accord and rent any gun he wants to... without your permission."
"Yeah I know in the military he'll be shooting, but that's different."
"How is that different? Believe me, its much safer for him to be shooting with MY guns, with me, in a big field with nobody around, than it is for him to be shooting in a line with a bunch of other people with guns that have no idea how to use them."
"Well.... its just dangerous and I don't want him playing with them."
"Dangerous? No. Guns aren't dangerous... they're inanimate objects, no more dangerous than this fork. Irresponsible people can use them to cause harm, but guns don't have minds of their own and you know damn well I'm not an irresponsible person."
"Guns shoot people, forks don't."
"Guns don't shoot people, people shoot people. Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object. Should we ban forks? Should we sell them exclusively in fork stores where you need to pass a background check before you can buy one?"
"No that's ridiculous."
"Oh really now. So if its ridiculous for forks, why is it reasonable for guns?"
"Well...."
"And on top of that, our right to the unrestricted ownership of firearms is exclusively protected by our Constitution. I know this doesn't apply to Israel, but it doesn't matter... quite frankly, being an Israeli citizen, your ideas about guns kinda surprise me. You live in a country surrounded by people that absolutely hate you and want to wipe you from the face of the planet. From the time your country was founded, war has been a way of life for the people living in it. You should be encouraging your son to get as much practice with a firearm as he can, not teaching him the back-asswards libtard mindset of being afraid of them."
Then my grandma chimes in: "He's right. I don't like guns either, but he's right."
My aunt just kinda stared at me with an expression like I'd just killed and gutted her cat right in front of her, and I was pretty pissed off, so I picked up my plate and thanked my grandma for dinner and told her I'd return her plate and silverware next week, and left.

[Byte Stryke]

If you don't stand up for what you believe in, people will walk all over you.

Bravo
[Applause]

[KevDen2005]

Good job man. Some people wont say that to their families.

Luckily my family is probably more conservative than I am....not sure if that's good or bad...

[porfiriozg]

you might of gone over board with the:

Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object.

but i like the idea of signing with a bloody paw print

[mcantar18c]

If it were me, I would take her son shooting, tell him not to tell her, then email or mail her a nice card with a picture of you two shooting together.

Now THAT is a fun idea. Consider it done

An Israeli (and presumably Jewish person) that is anti-gun is obviously an idiot (sorry to insult your family, but I don't think you mind at the moment). We have an example not even 80 years old that shows what can happen when a group of people are forcibly disarmed by their government.

As a Jew, I think a lot of the community has become so unattached from the Holocaust after not even 2 generations and its awful.

And not to mention that guns are a way of life for Israelis, and due to that military doctrine has established them as a 1st world nation in less than 60 years, amidst chaos.

No offense taken... that is my point of view exactly, and it frustrates the hell out of me that everybody on that side of the family has her mindset. In fact, I'm one of 3 people in my (fairly large) family, mom's and dad's side, that own a firearm. And one of the others keeps it locked up in the safe and takes it out once a year or so for some range time, and would never think about carrying it or using it for self defense.

Did anyone else read this conversation in a Woody Allen voice?

I let me drawl out when I was talkin to her, just to add some entertainment on my part.

Good job man. Some people wont say that to their families.

Luckily my family is probably more conservative than I am....not sure if that's good or bad...

I don't care who you are, if I have something to say I'll say it. Of course there are situations where I know I should bite my tongue, and I do, but I didn't see this as one of them.

you might of gone over board with the:

Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object.

but i like the idea of signing with a bloody paw print

Yeah, it was a bit extreme, and I was thinking maybe I shouldn't have gone there while I was saying it, but it was the best/first example that came to mind to get my point across.
Bloody paw print will be included.

[KevDen2005]

you might of gone over board with the:

Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object.

but i like the idea of signing with a bloody paw print

I was originally thinking overboard...but then I thought...Awesome! I do like the visualization of it

[ronaldrwl]

I've been in the same situation and understand the frustration. My only input is to not reinforce the idea that people with guns are angry people. I try very hard in those situations to sound reasonable and friendly and to not get into long heated debates. Although sometimes I wish I had a fork and dull fork at that.

[Byte Stryke]

My Favorite one is my Mother.
Blind liberal

Honestly believes that if you outlaw something, the criminals won't do it.

[mcantar18c]

Oh don't worry I'm still planning on taking him shooting. I'll leave it to him whether or not to tell his mom, I personally don't care either way.

There's nothing in her past I don't know about, and nothing that should give her this opinion on guns. The only reason she thinks this, is cause that's the general belief that other libtards hold so she has to think the same thing. She has a picture of Obama on her front door, for God's sake :facepalm:

Yeah, I probably shoulda left well enough alone, but I was in that mood and I have a lot of built up annoyance towards her for all the stupid shit she does.

[TFOGGER]

I feel your pain. I've often failed to engage the brain to mouth filter in social situations . I'd like to think I'm getting better about this as I get older, but I'm probably not...