Sons of Guns using UTG?

[Byte Stryke]

Sigh.

Why are some so extreme on here? Where did I ever mention aircraft grade aluminum or milspec marketing speak? Pretty sure I didn't. And it doesn't matter how cheap (money wise) someone makes something for the govt, it still has to meet whatever spec was specified in the contract. Does better exist? Sure. But does that fact mean the govt spec was crap? No.

I served as well. The bombers, fighters and munitions at my base weren't crap just because they were produced by the lowest cost bidder. And just because the French make bombers, fighters and munitions too doesn't mean they're just as good.

And if you're going to tell me my $69 aimpoint knockoff is just as good as my M3 because both do the same thing, then we'll just agree to disagree.

WTF are you talking about Aimpoints?
We are talking rails... stay on target there flyboy.

But since you brought it up, if it holds zero and puts the round on target, I dont think the guy at the other end is going to care what you paid for it.
iron sights, Aimpoints ACOGs...

all extra

If it is issued, it's manufactured of the cheapest materials by the lowest bidder that they can get past the inspectors, or by whoever paid off the Contracting officer with the best hookers.
I've seen the civilian side as well. That's enough to scare the shit out of anyone.

But then what do I know, I'm Just an extremist trying to talk sense to an elitist.

[rockhound]

i mounted my eotech on a 13 dollar z rail. a no name brand, it is 100% solid aluminum and is strong as hell oh yeah and its black. it holds my optic which is where i put my money. and it aslo still has room for a light/laser setup


what would 1 $100 rail do any different

[mutt]

WTF are you talking about Aimpoints?
We are talking rails... stay on target there flyboy.

Just an example. Sorry I'm moving too fast for you ground pounder.

But since you brought it up, if it holds zero and puts the round on target, I dont think the guy at the other end is going to care what you paid for it.
iron sights, Aimpoints ACOGs...

all extra

Sure, if one time use is the only concern. See how well a knockoff holds up to extended hard use. That's were the difference lies. You should cal lthe Pentagon and tell them to start buying knock offs from ebay. The savings to the taxpayer will be huge.

But then what do I know, I'm Just an extremist trying to talk sense to an elitist.

See it was all fun until now. I don't agree with you so I'm an elitist?

[mutt]

i mounted my eotech on a 13 dollar z rail. a no name brand, it is 100% solid aluminum and is strong as hell oh yeah and its black. it holds my optic which is where i put my money. and it aslo still has room for a light/laser setup


what would 1 $100 rail do any different

A hundred dollar rail would do nothing different. A 13 dollar z rail serves your purposes and needs perfectly. Great buy.

I'm done with the chatter. This thread has gone so far off topic and I apologize to the OP. This is what happens when I'm bored at work. I start posting in threads. Time to go eat.

[Byte Stryke]

i mounted my eotech on a 13 dollar z rail. a no name brand, it is 100% solid aluminum and is strong as hell oh yeah and its black. it holds my optic which is where i put my money. and it aslo still has room for a light/laser setup


what would 1 $100 rail do any different

Well, we just aren't going to shoot with you because you aren't cool enough to have $700 Rails and $4000 Optics on a $2000 AR! if you didn't pay allot you just aren't "IN"!
[/sarcasm]


Honestly, I compare it to the kids that HAD to have Nikes because they were somehow better than my Cons...

I took my cheap-ass DPMS AR supported by my cheap ass Winchester-walmart Bipod with my cheap-ass BSA Scope to D_Man's and pounded the hell out of those little cans of Tannerite as well as anyone else.

so yeah, whatever.

[Byte Stryke]

Just an example. Sorry I'm moving too fast for you ground pounder.


Sure, if one time use is the only concern. See how well a knockoff holds up to extended hard use. That's were the difference lies. You should cal lthe Pentagon and tell them to start buying knock offs from ebay. The savings to the taxpayer will be huge.




See it was all fun until now. I don't agree with you so I'm an elitist?

What would the contracting officers do for hookers if we bought things from Ebay?
(Nice Slippery Slope argument BTW)

As far as the elitist comment,you referred to me as an extremist.. I figured it was naturally the other side of the argument.

The Ground Pounder comment, Thank you.
Please remember that when you are crying you have no place to land your broke-ass airplanes.

I've probably built and repaired more runways on in more countries for practice than you have landed on

[Marlin]

Honestly, I compare it to the kids that HAD to have Nikes because they were somehow better than my Cons...

Hey, I can't help the fact the Nikes fit my feet better than cons ever did.

[mutt]

As far as the elitist comment,you referred to me as an extremist.. I figured it was naturally the other side of the argument.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just as guilty.

The Ground Pounder comment, Thank you.
Please remember that when you are crying you have no place to land your broke-ass airplanes.

I've probably built and repaired more runways on in more countries for practice than you have landed on

The Chair Force thanks you. Hard to give you guys close air support and air superiority without runways. And I wasn't a pilot. I was Fixed and Mobile Comm. 'No Comm, No Bomb'. I probably have more in common with you ground pounders than the pilots. It's all good Brother.

[BigMat]

I feel this thread needs some sense talked into it!

you're both right-

ARs are money pits, for example-

How many ARs have you seen with Noveske (sp) barrels and free floated rails with the 1:7 twist rate to keep a nice tight hole with heavy ammo?
now- how many of those same rifles have on optic on top with a 4 moa dot such as an H-1 or T-1? Makes you think.

On the other side of the coin there is crap out there that people staple onto their guns-

I have broken my fair share of parts and run the gambit on levels. A larue mount trumps the shit out of a QRP mount, is it worth it, probably not, but it is much better. I broke a Troy rail, twice, can't say I've done that to a Knights or a DD. That said, I've destroyed a EMOD stock, but haven't been able to break a Stag stock I pulled off a different gun.
(both companies mentioned stood by their product, nothing but respect for them, Vltor even had me send it in as they didn't believe it could break that bad)


End of the day, if you're running a UTG and its not breaking, well, I can't say shit about that. As to optics, I bet most scopes can handle a 223 recoil, and if you threw a 3-9 Simmons scope on top, well, you will probably out shoot an Aimpoint all day at range, but don't be suprised if it goes tits up if you drop it sideways.

[BadShot]

So yeah, back on topic. Watching the automated turret show last night really was disappointing. Owner guy was getting his panties all wrapped around the pole over a concept and solution set that exist so many times over that it isn't even worth going into. He was all up in arms acting like he was inventing THE life saving turret system for a private security group that should then be snatched up by the MIL. Oh wait, the MIL already has that many times over.

Anyway... meh, it's kinda a fun show to watch. Can't say anything besides the integral suppressed AK has really made me go ... "hhmmmm that's pretty cool". Seems like it's a good crew and the best quote so far came from the young guy..

"Yeah, this is my job, I get to do this and its only Tuesday" .. pretty sure that's when they were wringing out the 50 M-2.

I'll keep watching it, even if they keep using UTG craptastic cheap-o shmeg on their rifles. Don't see myself buying from them anyway.

PS - Just cause I really want to get into the brawl.. not everything the .gov buys is from the lowest bidder folks, ask me and my contracting officers how I know