State Troopers Hunting Democrats

[Elhuero]

I don't think they should be shot or shackled.

well ok, shackle them if they resist.

but I do think they should lose their jobs.

democracy means not getting your way all the time.

it's funny to me that the people that strike and intimidate when they don't get their way are pissed that the governor won't "compromise"

democracy, compromise, tolerance, free speech, basic civility... all of these things are one way streets to liberals.

things that liberals expect and demand, but are reticent to reciprocate.

[Byte Stryke]

I don't think they should be shot or shackled.

well ok, shackle them if they resist.

but I do think they should lose their jobs.

democracy means not getting your way all the time.

it's funny to me that the people that strike and intimidate when they don't get their way are pissed that the governor won't "compromise"

democracy, compromise, tolerance, free speech, basic civility... all of these things are one way streets to liberals.

things that liberals expect and demand, but are reticent to reciprocate.

wait.. aww shit...

Someone call Ginsue and Fox.. mebbe some of the other Admins and Mods.

Something bad is gonna happen,
Elhuero and I are agreeing again.

[Mazin]

wait.. aww shit...

Someone call Ginsue and Fox.. mebbe some of the other Admins and Mods.

Something bad is gonna happen,
Elhuero and I are agreeing again.

No wonder its snowing outside....

[DOC]

The difference between having a job with a with out a union is if the management gets their sights on you to run out of town your on your own. With a union your still on your own but they take union dues too.
So I say get rid of them all unless they can show that they are doing something useful.

[theGinsue]

If the Dems and unions there win this fight, the state will go even more broke and none of them will get any pension. It doesn't stand a chance of getting fixed if collective bargaining stays on the table. Pay a little or lose it all...this will happen all over the country.

Exact same situation that has effected the auto industry with the UAW and many other industries and their unions (Miller Beer for instance).

The unions won't budge to save 70% of the jobs at a reduced rate while sacrificing 30% of the jobs, so they strike. The company can't afford to continue as is so they close the plant - putting 100% of the employees out of work with NO pay. Sure, the unions will provide some pay for a little while -- typically less than 30% of what hte employee was earning before the strikes/plant closings. But that income dries up REALL quick after the plants close since the unions know they won't be leaching any more funds from the "employees".

democracy means not getting your way all the time.

it's funny to me that the people that strike and intimidate when they don't get their way are pissed that the governor won't "compromise"

democracy, compromise, tolerance, free speech, basic civility... all of these things are one way streets to liberals.

things that liberals expect and demand, but are reticent to reciprocate.

Man, I wish I'd said that - very well said!

wait.. aww shit...

Someone call Ginsue and Fox.. mebbe some of the other Admins and Mods.

Something bad is gonna happen,
Elhuero and I are agreeing again.

Oh, I'm monitoring with a fie extinquisher in hand, but I don't think it will be sufficient to handle whatever cataclysm occurs.

BTW: Going for the trifecta, I agree with you too. I know; right?!...

[sniper7]

surprised the liberals haven't filed to have them protected under the endangered species act.

drag them back in the state and make them do the job they were elected to do.

unions are good and bad. i like people to have options, and it sucks when you want to work somewhere but are required to pay union dues at that job. I think they should be able to have the option. the union will work for the people that are union members. the rest will likely be able to ride on the coattails without pay, but they also don't get the protection from the company if they screw up.

Right now there needs to be some big cuts on the state and federal budgets. they can't operate in the red forever. something has to give and the unions for the state/fed employees don't want to budge or give up anything.

I just hope the republicans rub it in their faces as soon as they get back. The dems need to learn a lesson on this one. I think it is absolute bullshit that they ran. they need to come back, take this loss then every single one of them needs to lose their job.

[cebeu]

"Pathetic....protection/retirement packages that none of us will ever have."

I can rail on this shit-hole [WEAC] non-stop...let's start with this small example (below) brought forward on Belling's program [disclaimer: local Milwaukee show, national recognition, leans conservative] earlier this week. Continuing to propagate this type of structure in WI and elsewhere is simply unsustainable and frankly, just foolish. "It’s for the kids." "Save Wisconsin families." Yeah…sure…the lie does not play anymore.

Note: On a personal basis, at the individual level, I’m all for educators bangin’ down 6-figures, Hell, I’m all for some of them making 7-figures, “if they can get it” based on performance & results, climbing the proverbial ladder, by tattooing advertising across their asses, etc.…rock-n-roll…go get wealthy and I’ll back you to the nth degree for doing so (free market). On the other-side of the coin I expect others to be well-under the median and getting their $25K annum when/where deserved. Further, no, I’m not supportive of benefits packages that exceed private sector benchmarks when you perform in tax-payer funded career positions. Don’t like it? Change your career path. Lastly, “wrapping your ass” comfortably with a blanket of union insulation (“another protected class?”) to shield you from capitalist reality, including the low-enders by default? Bah…no thanks…propagates mediocrity and results in over-costed goods and services and lesser-value from a consumption perspective. I want to be fair though and say that I do believe unions, like any professional organization such as certifying bodies, etc. can/could offer “great things” to receivers of their goods and services if they were equitable and less selfish and protectionist. In their current form, skewed to nothing but leftist entitlement…”no thanks.”


Read-on…sound logical to you? Multiply this by “thousands and thousands of heads”…and do the math with those highly compensated and with long tenure…hmmmm…welcome to one small piece of the WI tax-payer's nightmare.


Union Fails Pension Math: Part Time-Teacher Set to Earn More in Retirement than She Did While Employed

by Ben Everard

"My mother worked as a public employee when she was a teacher’s aide in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. She was employed by the state for five years, from 1981-1986. However, she worked only part-time, so was never credited for a full year of employment by the state for each year she worked. Instead, she received only partial credit each year. Fortunately for her, Wisconsin and two other states (Minnesota and South Dakota) allow for full vesting for public teachers after only three years of employment. Using a deduction for her part-time status, Wisconsin determined her creditable service amounted to 3.07 years. Had she worked three weeks less during her last year, she would be entitled to nothing. As luck would have it, she fully vested, and is entitled to receive a monthly check from the state of Wisconsin for the rest of her life.

Like millions of fellow baby boomers, she turns 55 this year. And in Wisconsin, one can elect to draw benefits at age 55. If she retires this year and elects to take her pension, she would receive a check, once a month, for $230. She receives this check for thing the rest of her life, and, if she predeceases my father, he is entitled to cash the check for the rest of his life.

A meager $230 a month may not sound like much—until you consider the salary she earned when she was employed, and how long she will likely draw her pension. The average life expectancy for women in the United States is roughly 78 years. Assuming my mother has an average life span, she will collect 276 separate checks from the state of Wisconsin for her five years of part-time service. These checks, without adjusting for inflation, amount to $63,480. Of course, in reality, the checks adjusted upward annually for inflation, so her accumulated payout will be well north of $63,480.

To put things into perspective, consider the salary she drew when she was actually employed. In her final year, she made $7,650. Wisconsin’s pension formula averages the highest three years’ salary, which for her amounted to $7,072 and $6,191. Over the course of her career as a salaried part-time teacher’s aide, she made approximately $35,000.
Thus, for five years of part time service in which she was paid a cumulative total of less than $35,000, she will collect nearly twice that if she has an average life span. She will be paid more money to be retired than she was ever paid by the state of Wisconsin when she was actually employed.

Let us not forget the other tiny detail—she has not lived in Wisconsin for over a quarter century, meaning she has not paid a dime to Wisconsin’s tax system in over 25 years. Yet, she is entitled to tens of thousands of dollars in pension benefits for her five years of part-time employment as a teacher’s aide.

Her scenario is just the beginning. It represents a tiny sliver of the enormity of the looming financial disaster. Substitute my mother’s modest salary with a superintendent of a school district, for example, who was paid over $100,000 per year, and the gravity of the situation is put into proper perspective."


Oh...yeah...the WI DEMS tactic...I like it...67% of the country according to Rasmussen is just laughing their asses off at them...and Oba'Mao for supporting such idiocy.

[Mobat555]

Illegally interrupting due process with Absenteeism from YOUR JOB and promoting demonstrations by paid activists isn't a fair a lawful process.

You are 100% correct on this, WI voted the senate in and have to live with the results.

the union has in many occupations outlived its usefulness. originally formed to ensure that workers had a safe work environment and fair wages

Completely applicable when it comes to for profit companies. But with occupations such as teachers there is no way to gauge performance that is fair to the teacher. In this instance how would a teacher ever show competitive edge outside of the amount of education they have received? With teachers completely unable to prove themselves or the quality of work they do, how could they ever expect a increase in pay or benefits?

Unions were created to equal the field but they only helped men with less ability maintain a certain standard, they never helped anyone succeed only exist.

So what your saying is the you feel that the pre-union child labor, 7 day work weeks, and zero consideration for workers health and safety was acceptable? We wouldn't even have OSHA, FSLA, or the FMLA without the ground work form unions.


Bottom line with Wisconsin is they have a supposed budget issue. The deficit is something he created himself, prior to his tax cuts for business's the state was at 54 million positive balance for the year. Had he left things as they were there would be no issue, but he cut taxes to business's and is attempting to crush unions.

Suppose there is some sort of real budget issue they can cut back on teachers, money per student, and facilities. If they did this they would hear a groan and people would go back about life as normal. But instead they are taking the opportunity to crush unions claiming fiscal responsibility. Which by taking away these rights I have not found any information showing that it would actually reduce deficit.

I guess this is a conservatives dream, kill a union, cut schools, support business's with tax breaks rather then let capatalisim work.

[Byte Stryke]

Bottom line with Wisconsin is they have a supposed budget issue. The deficit is something he created himself, prior to his tax cuts for business's the state was at 54 million positive balance for the year. Had he left things as they were there would be no issue, but he cut taxes to business's and is attempting to crush unions.

Well, There is that and the fact they are paying Legislators that wont show up to work and do their damn jobs.

[Mobat555]

Well, There is that and the fact they are paying Legislators that wont show up to work and do their damn jobs.

You are right and it is stalling the democratic process. I disagree with what I think Walkers motives are, yet the Dems have to man up and let it pass. Otherwise they are screwing democracy.