State Troopers Hunting Democrats

[cebeu]

Bottom line with Wisconsin is they have a supposed budget issue. The deficit is something he created himself, prior to his tax cuts for business's the state was at 54 million positive balance for the year. Had he left things as they were there would be no issue, but he cut taxes to business's and is attempting to crush unions.

Suppose there is some sort of real budget issue they can cut back on teachers, money per student, and facilities. If they did this they would hear a groan and people would go back about life as normal. But instead they are taking the opportunity to crush unions claiming fiscal responsibility. Which by taking away these rights I have not found any information showing that it would actually reduce deficit.

I guess this is a conservatives dream, kill a union, cut schools, support business's with tax breaks rather then let capatalisim work.

Supposed? Go do some balanced fact-checking and come-on back with your findings. I'll give you a hint...go ask Rachel Madow how well propagating this false-hood worked out for her.

Created himself? You are confused on this, again, go do some fact-checking and come-on back. Also, I suspect you know very little of WI's coporate tax structure historically nor what challenges businesses in the state are facing. If you did, you might realize how foolish it is to toss that comment out re: "leave it as was/is."

Conservative dream statment - What a crock-of-shit and one borne of emotion in a meager attempt to demean, a fucking worthless comment.

I'll give you this, "kill THIS union" is accurate, WEAC is a pile of shit that should have been dealt a death blow long ago.

Let me ask you this, "what direct experience do you have as a resident and tax-payer of WI?" Although I'm certain I know the answer.

[Mobat555]

Supposed? Go do some balanced fact-checking and come-on back with your findings.

Happily,

Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau estimated that the state would end fiscal year 2011 with a gross positive balance of $121. 4 million and a net balance (after mandated reserves) of $56.4 million

Created himself? You are very confused on this, again, go do some fact-checking and come-on back.

Again, I happily oblige,
Companies that relocate to Wisconsin won't have to pay income taxes for two years under a bill signed into law Monday by Gov. Scott Walker. ($67 million tax break)

He also signed a bill Monday that increases by $25 million the money available for economic development incentives. However, there is already more than $73 million in tax credits in the fund that have not been allocated, so the additional $25 million is not expected to be tapped over the next two years at least.

Walker previously signed into law a bill that eliminates state income taxes on contributions made to health savings accounts, which comes with a $49 million price tag, and a sweeping lawsuit reform measure.

This one is just for fun:
Gov. Scott Walker has signed into law a measure that will replace public employees at the Department of Commerce with private workers. Even though workers will now be private, they will be eligible for the state retirement system and health benefits.

Please let me know if the information gathered from Fox News and Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau is insufficient.

[cebeu]

Happily;

First, I'll ask you again since you failed to answer; "what direct experience do you have as a resident and tax-payer of WI? You have none do you?

Second, the WLFB is insufficient and misleading, is that your base-line (I gave you the Madow hint)? Link out to Journal Sentinel and AP references as well, you'll find your WLFB stake-in-the-ground is inadequate and the source of untruth you are choosing to spread. This problem is not of Walker's making and the state would not be running a surplus.

lastly, we'll address your "other" pasted links later but let me ask you this, "Are they intended to support your false statements condemning Walker as the cause of the budget problem?" My point, tell us what you know about the business climate in WI. If you are going to suggest that corporate/business [and other] tax reductions "should be left alone" and those actions in and of themselves would "solve the state’s budgetary problem" you know nothing of what has been / is occurring in the state, and pasting links about the topic does nothing to support what you stated incorrectly above about Walker.

[Mobat555]

This problem is not of Walker's making and the state would not be running a surplus.

You are correct and I was wrong, but via the same information it shows Walker is planning to create a un-warranted larger deficit over the next two years: The tax cuts will cost the state a projected $140 million in tax revenue -- but not until the next two-year budget, from July 2011 to June 2013. The cuts are not even in effect yet, so they cannot be part of the current problem./

lastly, we'll address your "other" pasted links later but let me ask you this, "Are they intended to support your false statements condemning Walker as the cause of the budget problem?"

They simply show the changes Walker is making at the cost of the state.

First, I'll ask you again since you failed to answer; "what direct experience do you have as a resident and tax-payer of WI? You have none do you?

I have Zero experience as a resident or tax payer in WI, I have zero experience in Economics on any level, I have zero experience in politics of any kind. I wrongfully assumed that I could convey information I believed to be correct in a open forum.

[Byte Stryke]

I wrongfully assumed that I could convey information I believed to be correct in a open forum.

Dat'll lern ya!


Now you guys hug and make nice

[hollohas]

Suppose there is some sort of real budget issue they can cut back on teachers, money per student, and facilities.

.

I haven't seen anything that says they want to cut teachers, money to the classroom, etc. but that is what they will have to do if these people don't share the cost of there benefits. Of course the number of teachers and money to the students and classroom has nothing to do with the unions. If the unions cared about that then they wouldn't have encouraged their members to call in sick to work so they could go hold picket signs instead of go teach. The unions only care about the amount of $$$ the members make and nothing about the kids.

But instead they are taking the opportunity to crush unions claiming fiscal responsibility.

They do need the unions out of the way to keep the ridiculous union member benefits from just getting bigger in the future. Collective bargaining pressures the state into agreeing to these insane terms. Whichever WI Governor, Rep or Dem, that agreed to the terms as they currently have is a dumbass. Unions only help members at the cost of everyone else and they need that to stop. Call it "crushing the unions" or whatever you want but it needs to happen. No state can afford pay 100% of employees retirement for life. Like SS, it just doesn't add up.

I have not found any information showing that it would actually reduce deficit.

Really? You think that having these public employees pay a little more into their own retirement and health insurance doesn't save the state money? Of course it does. For example they want the employees to pay 5% towards their retirement while they currently pay less than 1%. That's a +4% saving for the state on pensions. Saving = reduced deficit.

Teacher health insurance in WI costs the tax payers $68 million...save only a few percentage points on that by having the employees pay a little more and you can see the savings there

I guess this is a conservatives dream, kill a union, cut schools, support business's with tax breaks rather then let capatalisim work.

This is a retarded statement that shows your bias. Do you really think republicans what to hurt schools? Again, don't you think the fact these teachers called in sick, some for 6 days, hurt the schools? How many of them do you think are republicans?

The unions keep capitalism from working. If it did work all those teachers that called in sick would be fired and the state would be able to cut costs wherever it wanted to. You don't like it, go work/live/buy somewhere else. That's capitalism.

[Mobat555]

I haven't seen anything that says they want to cut teachers, money to the classroom, etc. but that is what they will have to do if these people don't share the cost of there benefits. Of course the number of teachers and money to the students and classroom has nothing to do with the unions. If the unions cared about that then they wouldn't have encouraged their members to call in sick to work so they could go hold picket signs instead of go teach. The unions only care about the amount of $$$ the members make and nothing about the kids.

You must be right, since the Wisconsin Education Association Council priority for the 2011-12 legislative year is:

School Funding Reform A new system of funding should guarantee sufficient resources to educate all students to high standards, including additional, targeted funding for high-cost special education students, those who live in poverty, and English language learners, as well as additional aid for small, rural school districts and those with declining enrollment.

...THOSE BASTARDS...

Really? You think that having these public employees pay a little more into their own retirement and health insurance doesn't save the state money? Of course it does. For example they want the employees to pay 5% towards their retirement while they currently pay less than 1%. That's a +4% saving for the state on pensions. Saving = reduced deficit.

They currently already pay 5%.

Of course we could argue they should pay more. But as I understand it (yes yes feel free to tell me I am wrong) state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions. Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan.

This is a retarded statement that shows your bias. Do you really think republicans what to hurt schools?

The house just passed a bill with these fine items in them:
* Title I would be cut by $694 million, reducing or eliminating services for 957,000 thousand high-risk children and potentially causing the loss of over 9,100 education jobs.
* School Improvement Grants would be cut by $337 million, disrupting or curtailing ongoing intervention activities for more than 482,000 students in the lowest-achieving schools and leading to potential job losses of 4,400.
* Pell grants would be cut by $5.7 billion, making it more difficult for low- and middle-income families to pay for college. These cuts would eliminate or reduce aid for more than 1.5 million students.
* Head Start would be cut by over $1 billion, leading to elimination of enrollment slots for 196,000 poor children and the potential loss of almost 26,000 jobs.

The unions keep capitalism from working.

On what planet does capitalism work for non-profit organizations? I will rally with you any day of the week that unions are not needed in normal for profit industry. But for teachers, firemen, policemen, they require a collaborative voice. If anything to make the jobs attractive enough to have decent educated people filling them.

This is a retarded statement that shows your bias.

I am willing as I hope you are to fight tooth in nail to have the right and ability to voice opposing and even bias opinions.

I am enjoying making all these new friends by the way!

[Graves]

do you have a point to make, or are you just doing the repeater?

think about your answer, meow.

I'm sorry; Are you saying MEOW?
Clever reference there.

[Byte Stryke]

Do you really think republicans what to hurt schools?

hahaha
Kinda Ironical


Sorry, but as an (I), I had to.

[Bailey Guns]

They simply show the changes Walker is making at the cost of the state.

Why is it some people still think that taking less money from taxpayers, money that belongs to taxpayers who have a reasonable expectation that elected officials will spend it wisely, is taking away from the state.

The money belongs to the citizens of WI...not the goddamned govt.

That type of thinking is why we (collectively, as a country) are in this mess.

Reagan: "You PATCO air traffic controllers better go back to work or I'll fire all of you."
PATCO: "WTFE, dude. We're going on strike. You can't fire us. We belong to a UNION!"
Reagan: "You're all fired."
PATCO: "Holy shit! He fired us."
Reagan: "That's right, bitches."

You pro-union types can get your panties all wadded up if you want. Unions are part of the problem...not part of the solution. They should all be fired. And the elected representatives of the people in WI should be impeached and removed from office.

Fuckin' unions and democrats. They're perfect for each other.