consitutional carry passes house committee

[Irving]

Very true roberth, but just as infringement is infringement, incompetent is incompetent.

You can't make a law against being stupid.

Fortunately, rights are all inclusive. That whole "all men are created equal" part. Maybe in reality, people aren't equal, but their rights should be.

[AR-Tracker]

This did not pass the state senate. The demicraps blocked it. Permits for all as of now.

[Bailey Guns]

Very true roberth, but just as infringement is infringement, incompetent is incompetent.


I am all for being able to carry and to do so without a "Coat Tax" but I do feel that having a competency requirement to do so is not asking much. You have to prove competency to drive, to be a plumber, to be an electrician or to properly close a lane on a highway.

Yes...but none of those activities are constitutional rights.

[BPTactical]

Yes...but none of those activities are constitutional rights.

Very true Bailey

[Bailey Guns]

Sorry, man...not trying to bust your balls. I'm just so tired of the 2A being the whipping-boy of constitutional rights.

I'm also a firm believer that incrementalism is destroying our country and our way of life. Liberals and idiots (sorry for being redundant) have developed a very successful strategy over the past 40 years of destroying our Constitution a little bit at a time.

I am all for restoring our gov't to what it should be. I want our gov't and our elected representatives...from the school board to the president...to fear us as citizens.

We can't get there by submitting to a little infringement here and a little infringement there. There's too much of that already.

So...that's where I'm coming from.

And BTW...I've made a pretty good living over the past 5 or 6 years teaching CCW classes. So I stand to lose financially from a "constitutional carry" act being passed. But it would be worth it in the long run to me for all of us, as citizens, to take back what's been taken from us by a near-tyrannical gov't.

[AR-Tracker]

Sorry, man...not trying to bust your balls. I'm just so tired of the 2A being the whipping-boy of constitutional rights.

I'm also a firm believer that incrementalism is destroying our country and our way of life. Liberals and idiots (sorry for being redundant) have developed a very successful strategy over the past 40 years of destroying our Constitution a little bit at a time.

I am all for restoring our gov't to what it should be. I want our gov't and our elected representatives...from the school board to the president...to fear us as citizens.

We can't get there by submitting to a little infringement here and a little infringement there. There's too much of that already.

So...that's where I'm coming from.

And BTW...I've made a pretty good living over the past 5 or 6 years teaching CCW classes. So I stand to lose financially from a "constitutional carry" act being passed. But it would be worth it in the long run to me for all of us, as citizens, to take back what's been taken from us by a near-tyrannical gov't.

[newracer]

Totally agree with all of Bailey Guns' posts

This seems to fit the topic, plus I just love the ending.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1537893819675#

[Clint45]

We can't get there by submitting to a little infringement here and a little infringement there. There's too much of that already.

The anti-gunners claim they "don't want to take our guns away", and mock 2nd Amendment supporters who are opposed to what they call "reasonable restrictions" on things like hi-cap mags. Our current VP once wanted to ban surplus ammunition cans because I suppose they were frightening to him for some reason.

In my opinion, there is a difference between "infringement" and "reasonable restriction." I do not think there should be any restriction on firearm sales and minimal restriction on shipping (proof of age, ammo shipped separately). I think any citizen should be allowed to keep any firearm in their car and be allowed to CCW a small handgun without a permit. I do not think it is unreasonable for certain cities to require a permit for high capacity automatics and magnum revolvers, as long as permits are easy to get and the penalty for non-compliance is nothing more than confiscation and a fine. Criminalizing guns and gun owners goes too far. If someone commits a crime with a gun, throw them in prison or execute them. Simply owning a gun that a certain city or state or federal agency doesn't like for some arbitrary technicality should not be a criminal offense.

A number of NorthEastern states disagree. A permit is required simply to touch a handgun at the store, and if someone without a permit inherits a handgun or accompanies a permit holder to a shooting range they could be arrested and convicted and imprisoned for doing something that is perfectly legal everywhere else. Then consider how extraordinarily difficult it is for the average citizen to be approved for a permit in those areas. That is a clear infringement and certainly far from "reasonable."

Minor restrictions in densely populated areas I can understand. The anti-gunners will never be satisfied with minor restrictions, though. They want to make it illegal for anyone other than a policeman to CCW. Once they get that, then they'll start placing restrictions on what you're allowed to own. I recall a bill in another state which would require citizens to apply for and be approved for an "arsenal license" if they had more than 20 firearms or more than a thousand rounds of ammunition in their home (one of the bills critics rightly pointed out that a thousand rounds of ammo was just 2 bricks of 22 ammo).

[roberth]

Very true roberth, but just as infringement is infringement, incompetent is incompetent.


I am all for being able to carry and to do so without a "Coat Tax" but I do feel that having a competency requirement to do so is not asking much. You have to prove competency to drive, to be a plumber, to be an electrician or to properly close a lane on a highway.

Like Irving said - we cannot legislate stupid (if we could there would be no one to vote for democrats).

Part of me wants to side with you BPT.

It is all or it will eventually be nothing so I pick all.

[DOC]

I sent a message urging those whores to take the bill out of committee for an up or down vote. I think if we started a letter writing campaign of just one or two letters to each of the three libtards that killed it in committee that they may revisit it with some sense. After all a right is something that is the individuals alone. The state issued permit is something that belongs to the state. Its so easy to send an email or even call their office you know they have nothing better to do.

Here is what I wrote your results may vary.

Rollie
Heath
rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us
303-866-4872
Bob
Bacon
bob.bacon.senate@state.co.us
303-866-4841
Betty
Boyd
betty.boyd.senate@state.co.us
303-866-4857


Hello Senator Bob Bacon,

I was looking forward to seeing how the Senate voted on the proposed bill to allow Constitutional Concealed Carry in our great state of Colorado. However, it has come to my attention that the bill is stalled in your committee for some reason. I am writing you today to ask that you take it out of committee for a vote in the Senate.

The bill will most likely be vetoed by our Gov. Hickenlooper but for other reasons besides it’s the right thing to do and it should be law. I am actually surprised that it’s not already! Colorado is one of the biggest freedom loving states in the country because it doesn’t give criminal free reign over people just trying to live.

I do have a concealed handgun permit issued by the state back when the law said “may issue” and I guess they saw me as trustworthy enough to issue me one. I don’t know if that’s true. I just try to live my life, work hard, enjoy freedom and not live in fear of what could happen.

This law is something that I feel strongly about that would help more people that it could hurt. Please take it out of committee for a fair vote among your peers and let the system work. It was hard to get away from work to write you this email so I can understand the time crunch it may have taken to read it.
Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,