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Jason,Originally Posted by JasonM
Thanks for the info.
While the prices aren't horrible, I'm not shooting someone elses remanufactured ammo through my guns. If I reload, yea. It's my stuff and my choice, but I'm not going to void my the warranty on one of my guns by basically shooting someone else's reloads.
This is still a no go for me.
Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor
Here is the scoop, when the range was K2 it started out decent. They had a good crew of guys working in there who had good customer service and were knowledgeable. The owner and the manager at the time were good guys as well. Just to make things clear there was an old man who was the owners father and claimed to be the owner, nothing was further from the truth. He was a nuisance, and a danger to the customers with his loaded pistol.
However, the owner in my opinion and judging by what was said to us on a daily basis was, he was in over his head on the money spent to bring that range up to speed after foothills shooting center was bought out, roughly (1.8 million). Then the manager quit (or got fired, I don't remember) because he was telling the customers lies about what we could provide as product when we were not even set up as dealers with these companies and the owner tried to do the right thing and take care of the customers and ended up having to become stocking dealers with a lot of these companies that require large minimum orders. Because of this I believe this act of trying to take care of the customer used up any extra money to promote K2.
The owner then hired a new manager (a female), and this was the beginning of the end. She supposedly managed the store by day and taught martial arts by night in the same location. She is one of the reasons K2 ultimately failed and the crew quit, left or got fired because of her abrasive personality and lack of knowledge when it came to firearms. Those who had exposure to her would know. K2 ended up having the wrong type of firearms for sale (mostly hunting rifles) and did not have enough of the evil black rifle flavor due to the old manager ordering what ever he wanted and not thinking about the business as a whole. In addition, the first manager, after being fired (or quitting) disappeared with some of the inventory and BATFE was called to have an audit done because the FFL was handled poorly when it came to keeping records & firearms came up missing.
This brings us to Green Mountain Family Shooting Center. The previous owner of K2 closed the business and left to pursue other endeavors. the owners Father however knew of a wealthy individual that he claimed was a personal friend and talked that individual into buying the range. Unfortunately, this person who bought the range outright from the bank trusted the former K2 owners father and the people that they hired, which were previous customers of K2, to run just the range since they did not posses an FFL.
The previous owners father claimed he was the owner of GMFSC and when the person who purchased the range found out he was making these claims, he had to be forcibly removed from the premises by Lakewood P.D. The idiots that were running the range were stealing from the owner who purchased GMFSC and had no experience or knowledge on how to treat customers, run a safe range, or even shoot. I am speaking from personal experience with these employees, and had a less than favorable time when I tried to go and shoot when it was GMFSC. Because of the employees of GMFSC and their actions which the owner was unaware of until recently, it was shut down, sold and bought by Blue Core Shooting Center.
This brings me to my point, I went in there today and talked with the new owners running the range. These guys are the real deal and are who they say they are. They are quiet professionals, they are courteous and know what they are doing. Lets give these guy's a clean slate and give them our business now that we know the history of K2 & GMFSC and why these particular business before them failed.
This is the inside scoop, I left out names on purpose, those who were customers at K2 know. And as for the employees at GMFSC, there names are not worth remembering.
Last edited by watergun; 04-17-2011 at 15:54.
I have no doubt the new owners are stand up guys but IMHO in order for a range like this to be successful it needs to be flexible and have multiple profit centers to draw upon like training/classes/shooting comps/gunsmithing/retail sales etc.....
No per hour charges, no only use our ammo, no no drawing from holsters allowed, no rapid fire etc...... I am not saying that they have all these type of rules, I am only listing rules that turn people away.
The last thing I want to do is stand there making a pile of brass from ammo that I bought from the range target shooting. I want to be able to use my ammo that I have either bought or reloaded and actually get in some practice/training.
I understand, they must be listening to the feedback they are getting from everybody, because I went in there today and they said it was $12hr. if you bought their ammo and $16hr if you bring your own ( no WOLF ammo or steel core). They also said they will be opening up the upstairs for retail sales and that they have multiple classes being put together, anything from basic NRA to advanced tactics. Also, the rifle range will be open in approx. 6 weeks
Unfortunately, at K2 we used to allow reloads, until one day two middle aged men came in shooting a S&W .357 with their reloads and after about 15 minutes of shooting they blew the gun literally in half and pieces flew out the back of the stall. The cylinder split in two and blew the top of the frame off. We ended up using the gun in a training class and had to tell everyone no reloads on the range. It only takes one idiot to ruin it for everyone, i.e. rapid fire and drawing from the holster as well. BTW they said at the bottom of their range rules that drawing from the holster is a possibility if you have the approval from one of the staff members.
And I'm sure to be"qualified"you'll have to take one of their classes lol
Guess we'll see. I'd love to see the place thrive. I went to GMFSC a few times, and it could have been a nice place but for the staff. Even my grandson didn't like it. I still think these new owners need to come around here so we can get to know them, and them us. That would benefit everyone concerned, the members here could be a decent piece of their customer base.
I told the owners about this forum, invited them to join. I also told them to contact Marlin if they were considering being a vendor here.
They aren't listening here if they are still charging by the hour...
I can justify $12(16) for an indoor range to shoot for the day (couple hours, usually).
I can justify $24 for an indoor rifle range so I can eliminate the elements.
I can't justify 48, 72, 96 to shoot for a couple of hours...
Yeah, I can agree with this. I don't want to be hindered with a "parking meter" in my stall. If there's people waiting, I could understand, but if not, leave me alone and I'll leave when I'm done. I can't stand to stay in an indoor range for long anyway, between the smoke and the constant pressure of the earmuffs squeezing my gourd. If I could take the muffs off for a break now and then, that would be different.
Eric from BlueCore was a guest on KHOW's Caplis and Silverman this afternoon. Only caught the tail end of the segment, but he was commenting on the recent Cherry Creek Mall kidnapping before it wrapped up.
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