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I think you need to read and understand the 2nd amendment to the constitution. There are NO restrictions to our right to keep and BEAR arms. What part of this don't you get? There are a lot of "gun owners" that are quasi anti gunners, and are the real gun owners worst enemies. These people deserve nothing but our utter contempt!
The permit will still be available to those who wish to get it but without it you have zero reciprocity and are illegal if you cross state lines.
Originally Posted by AirbornePathogen
I am a libertarian as such I am against concealed carry permits. I see it as this. The supreme court ruled that Law enforcement cannot protect the individual person but the populace. So that being said I need to be able to protect myself.
The stupid people that do stupid things with guns will be met with dozens of guns from educated people. This will just clean up the gene pool.
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Whoa - thanks for that heads up Ranger. I was not aware that they passed a hi cap magazine ban in Denver County.
Read the legislation at http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NoHiCapChemSpray.pdf and it seems to suck pretty bad for those of us in Denver County. How does this effect someone with 30 and 45 rnd AK mags and what about CCW with 12 rnd mags in my 229? What do you think will happen if I get pulled over, declare my CCW and presence of a weapon, the cop checks and finds out I have a 12 rnd mag. Think they will burn someone over that?
Any input is appreciated!
(from the aforementioned site)
Colorado – City of Denver High Capacity Ammunition Magazines
City of Denver Ordinances Sec. 38-130. - Assault weapons.
a. All semiautomatic action, centerfire rifles with a detachable magazine with a capacity of twenty-one (21) or more rounds.
b. All semiautomatic shotguns with a folding stock or a magazine capacity of more than six (6) rounds or both.
Specific magazine prohibited. It shall be unlawful to carry, store or otherwise possess a magazine which will hold or may be modified to hold twenty-one (21) or more rounds.
There is a provision in the law if you are a non resident of Denver traveling through the area you can not be charged with breaking this ordinances.
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your 12 round mag is less and 21 so you should be fine...
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Actually after reading the regulation that you took that exerpt from there is no mention to pistols at all, only centerfire rifles , Folding Stock shotguns, and shotguns with greater than 6 rounds. There for if you CCW a handgun it doesn't matter what size magazine you have but if you conceal carry a shotgun or rifle (which is not legal) you may have trouble with the round counting. Just my two cents.
stupid people will continue to do stupid things with or without laws being passed.
I liken it to drinking and driving, which by the way has been illegal for quite some time. People continue to do it, Some repeatedly.
Passing a law only criminalizes an act, it does not prevent it.
Do you honestly believe that a criminal traveling to commit a felony gives two fu**s about the concealed carry laws of this or any other state? Its a small drop in the bucket compared to the armed robery or murder he is going to commit.
Both of which are also illegal
Are you seeing a trend here?
The restrictions and requirements of a concealed carry license ONLY affect the law abiding citizen that intends only to defend themselves and their family.
The criminals? They are laughing.
The permit will still be available to those who wish to get it but without it you have zero reciprocity and are illegal if you cross state lines.
My point exactly. Also, I have read the Second Amendment, in my opinion, it's the most important one- the one that's there so we can protect all the rest. And on a side note, I believe in the Second Amendment just as strongly as anyone else here. But, just because I'm in favor of SOME SMALL AMOUNT of regulation, that puts me in the "gun grabber" column? I'm about the farthest thing from it. Why don't we use this board to discuss the issue, and leave the personal attacks to those beneath us. THAT is a gun grabber tactic.
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Ohh it will be like the wild west!
People will be shooting everyone!
Stop Fear Mongering...
This will not give license to people that don't already meet the legal ownership requirements.
your argument about "plenty of guys out there who have no business carrying a firearm" is invalid.
...Shall not be infringed.
But just for you, lets rewrite the entire bill of rights.
Lets start rewriting the second more along the lines of your way of thinking:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Authoritarian State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, may only be granted by the State. Such permissions are granted by the state provided they pay the firearms taxation and permit fees, are properly instructed in classes sanctioned by the state and file all proper paperwork and fulfill all other legal requirements of the State. Such permissions may be suspended at anytime without prior notice by any officer of the State in cases wherein the state deems the subjects of their territories are unworthy of such rights.
thank GOD we don't live in such a place.
if you take a little bit away, the whole thing falls down
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Last edited by Byte Stryke; 03-20-2011 at 07:01. Reason: because I dislike false arguments and fear mongering
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