Robbery

[FireMoth]

Blunt force trauma to the head is lethal force. End of ****ing story. How the **** do you think people were killing each other for thousands of years of human history BEFORE the last 200 brought the convenience of guns?

Its disturbing to me that someones brains might be being beaten out their nose and people here would actually stop to think about if the lawyer they have on retainer can cover them for acting.
And i thought i was a cold mother fucker.

I'm sure it will be a great consolation to some ones kid or spouse or parent that when the chips were down...
You pulled out your camera phone, and were a 'good witness'.
Undoubtedly they will thank you for the brave observations you made that grant them with the privilege of changing the diapers of the person that no longer knows their names for the rest of their short, miserable, and financially draining lives.

The assailant made their choice when they brought their foot down on some ones head. And I'd still do them the decency of a quick end.

Some things are worth going to jail for.

[TFOGGER]

A brutal ass stomping would qualify as "imminent danger", but I would hate to be the guy that shot someone that was fighting back after being threatened with a knife. A felonious assault is an entirely different situation than a stand up fist fight. Also, stopping the threat does not always mean ventilating someone. If I feel like I can stop the threat without anyone having to be seriously injured (including myself), I will certainly leave that option on the table.

[Irving]

Dues, he didn't say that until after you accused him of saying that. I still submit that saying, "I shoot to stop the threat" is different than, "I shoot to wound."

You can wound someone by calling their mother fat.

[DeusExMachina]

Dues, he didn't say that until after you accused him of saying that. I still submit that saying, "I shoot to stop the threat" is different than, "I shoot to wound."

You can wound someone by calling their mother fat.

Unfortunately I don't have mind control powers, so what he said is what he said. I just helped with the clarification.

You don't shoot to wound someone by calling their mother fat...

[FireMoth]

Dude, back off. i got some lethal fucking 'yo momma' jokes...

Anyway, i read ridge's post. i saw what Deus saw.

So, bad call ridge. Suggested correction: Deus.
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[Irving]

Fine. I submit.

Rondog, when you were in the convenience store, did you actually see the gun that they robber had?

If someone (bad guy/aggressor) is actually holding a gun in their hand, I consider everyone's life in the vicinity in danger. If someone just walks in and lifts up their shirt or something, that is different.

[rondog]

Fine. I submit.

Rondog, when you were in the convenience store, did you actually see the gun that they robber had?

If someone (bad guy/aggressor) is actually holding a gun in their hand, I consider everyone's life in the vicinity in danger. If someone just walks in and lifts up their shirt or something, that is different.

Yeah, I saw it. He pointed it right at me. I didn't realize what was going on and started to leave the store, when he hollered "get your ass back in here!" at me. I turned around with a WTF? look on my dumbass, and this guy was pointing this dinky little .25 at me. I hustled right back in and doo-dah'd over to the magazine rack, turned my back to him so he wouldn't feel threatened by me, and thumbed through some rag while he did his thing and split.

The store was setup with an "island" right in the center of the place, with two registers and two clerks to handle customers on both sides of it. He was on one side and I was on the other, about 10-15 ft. away from the counter, the two clerks were inside the island, between me and him. There was no way to fire on him in that situation, even if I'd been armed and permitted. And he harmed nobody, so drawing wouldn't have been wise anyway, plus he was looking right at all three of us.

This was probably around 1978-79 or so. There was a rare and very heavy ice storm that night, it was slicker than shit outside. He was on foot so he got smooth away.

[FireMoth]

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If someone (bad guy/aggressor) is actually holding a gun in their hand, I consider everyone's life in the vicinity in danger. ...

Agreed. I think that is a logical force assessment. I just worry that people forget that other things than guns can kill when they are judging potential lethality