Robbery

[Graves]

*Pulls gun, drops pants
"Who wants a mustache ride??!!!"

[rondog]

Just my opinion, but if nobody's gotten hurt yet, and it's just a robbery, I'm inclined to stay out of it and just be as ready to act as possible. I'm not a LEO, and have no obligation to fight criminals. But if a shot's been fired, someone's getting pistol whipped, or the BG appears ready and willing to hurt someone, it's a different story. Depends totally on the situation to me. If somebody pulls a gun and hollers "this is a stickup" in a 7-11, I have no reason to immediately act unless I feel in danger myself or I think someone else is in danger.

FWIW - Many, many years ago back in OK I was in just such a situation, but unarmed and no CCW permit. In that case, both store clerks were between me and the BG, so firing wouldn't have been an option anyway. He had a little .25 auto, and just wanted the cash, a 6-pack and a quick getaway. I know every situation is different, but I have to think of that one first.

[ldmaster]

It wouldn't be "brave observations" it would more probably be "HEROIC observations"

Aint the MSM taught you anything?

[Irving]

Dues, he didn't say that until after you accused him of saying that. I still submit that saying, "I shoot to stop the threat" is different than, "I shoot to wound."

You can wound someone by calling their mother fat.

[DeusExMachina]

Dues, he didn't say that until after you accused him of saying that. I still submit that saying, "I shoot to stop the threat" is different than, "I shoot to wound."

You can wound someone by calling their mother fat.

Unfortunately I don't have mind control powers, so what he said is what he said. I just helped with the clarification.

You don't shoot to wound someone by calling their mother fat...

[FireMoth]

Dude, back off. i got some lethal fucking 'yo momma' jokes...

Anyway, i read ridge's post. i saw what Deus saw.

So, bad call ridge. Suggested correction: Deus.
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[Irving]

Fine. I submit.

Rondog, when you were in the convenience store, did you actually see the gun that they robber had?

If someone (bad guy/aggressor) is actually holding a gun in their hand, I consider everyone's life in the vicinity in danger. If someone just walks in and lifts up their shirt or something, that is different.

[rondog]

Fine. I submit.

Rondog, when you were in the convenience store, did you actually see the gun that they robber had?

If someone (bad guy/aggressor) is actually holding a gun in their hand, I consider everyone's life in the vicinity in danger. If someone just walks in and lifts up their shirt or something, that is different.

Yeah, I saw it. He pointed it right at me. I didn't realize what was going on and started to leave the store, when he hollered "get your ass back in here!" at me. I turned around with a WTF? look on my dumbass, and this guy was pointing this dinky little .25 at me. I hustled right back in and doo-dah'd over to the magazine rack, turned my back to him so he wouldn't feel threatened by me, and thumbed through some rag while he did his thing and split.

The store was setup with an "island" right in the center of the place, with two registers and two clerks to handle customers on both sides of it. He was on one side and I was on the other, about 10-15 ft. away from the counter, the two clerks were inside the island, between me and him. There was no way to fire on him in that situation, even if I'd been armed and permitted. And he harmed nobody, so drawing wouldn't have been wise anyway, plus he was looking right at all three of us.

This was probably around 1978-79 or so. There was a rare and very heavy ice storm that night, it was slicker than shit outside. He was on foot so he got smooth away.

[FireMoth]

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If someone (bad guy/aggressor) is actually holding a gun in their hand, I consider everyone's life in the vicinity in danger. ...

Agreed. I think that is a logical force assessment. I just worry that people forget that other things than guns can kill when they are judging potential lethality

[Irving]

I'd probably do some things that others here wouldn't, but I don't want to post it.