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[Irving]

Just because someone was pulled over for a DUI, doesn't mean they were even drunk. I'm sure it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

[Sixgun]

Just because someone was pulled over for a DUI, doesn't mean they were even drunk. I'm sure it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

I agree, but why defend them.

[Irving]

Well, I'm not going to take sides on this. BigDee is clearly.....well, I don't know quite how to classify him. Just suffice it to say that I didn't agree with his post and thought it was ridiculous that he thought that 99% of DUI stops were BS. I laughed when I read that.

[Byte Stryke]

I Still think there should be a clause saying something about the vehicle moving to be required for a DUI.
I have heard about DUIs being issued because the person was sleeping it off in a car and he had the keys on his person or in the ignition.

Just my opinion, but unless the vehicle is in gear, it's not driving.

That being said, If you roll a car 1" and you are over I hope they nail your ass to a wall and pound your fucking balls into a stain with a goddamned sledgehammer.

and these dumbfucks that get 4 and 5 DUIs on a suspended license need to have an amputation at the neck.

Alcohol abuse isn't an "illness", its a weakness. Influenza is an illness.

[BigDee]

I think not only does he need to stop driving while drunk (and try to justify it), he needs to stop posting while intoxicated (called PWI on my site), and likely needs to go into A.A.

IM (no so) HO He's not anti-cop so much as he seems to always have a bottle in his hand and wants the world to be okay with that, and quite possibly has multiple DUI convictions against himself.

Reality check: If you kill someone because you numbed your reflexes and ability down to the level of a 16yo that just got their learners permit, it's manslaughter. You would NOT have killed them had you been drinking. Is it okay for a crane operator to show up to work completely hammered because he's still as good as a 16yo that's never operated a crane before?

News flash BD: You've got virtually no posts here, and I don't like you. Hopefully sclerosis gets you off the street before you kill anybody, if you haven't killed someone already. And I really hope one of those "chickenshit" officers gets you another DUI and takes your car in the near future, not that it wouldn't suprise me if your license is already revoked.

I hope that the majority of this site's membership is capable of having a debate in which people respect the fact that there may be opinions differing from their own. Obviously there are several people who's opinions are not the same as mine and I respect their opinions even though I may not neccessarily agree with them.

There's a difference between disagreeing with someone and making a personal attack against them because their viewpoint differs from yours. Wishing someone suffers from a debiliating condition such as multiple schlerosis is a bit below the belt. I've done many volunteer activities for those suffering from MS and I can tell you I would never wish something like that on my worst enemy.

[Irving]

And no, I'll respect opinions differing from my own 98.99% of the time, spanning politics, religion, drugs, sex, you name it.

Can you expand on some of the situations you've been in where you have disagreed with someone about how they wanted to have sex?

[FireMoth]

Our legal system gives the right to any individual to defend themselves against any accusation, and put the burden of proof on the courts.
Innocent, until proven guilty.

So, regardless of police reports, news reports, or otherwise, even a drunk has the same right to defense as anyone else.
If we start letting initial reports or news change our mind about this system, we will see disastrous results.

When the legal system steals even one day form an innocent citizens life, it is doing its most grave injustice. If trying to arrange the system to prevent that means that a slimy lawyer can get a drunk off the hook, so be it.
The punishments don't stop the offense in much the same way guns laws don't prevent violence. Fuckign cops drive drunk too.

Now, just to clarify, i am a straight edge, and I see no value in intoxicants of any kind, and think poorly of those who choose to abuse them. but i will defend to my death their right to make that choice.

If i want to see change, i will try to educate, and lead by example, and show people there is an alternative to drug an alcohol culture., but i will NOT start condemning people based on circumstances reported to me that i did not personally witness, no matter how 'right' it sounds.

We can look at this case as symptomatic of a system that allows offenders to walk free, and create statute or precedent o allow tighter constraint on our liberty for 'our own good'...

..or we can view it of symptomatic of a cuture permissive of substance abuse that turns a blind eye on our own culpability for supporting these habits, and decide to try to change how we behave, to save ourselves.

Odds are, the person addressed in this accusation didn't get blasted alone at home, take a spin around the block for giggles, and then head home alone again. other people participated in the process, and though ultimately an offender is responsible for their own actions, a community has influence, and responsibility to use it in its own interest.
We don't need to have a list of legal repercussions to know to stop some one from stumbling out the door of the bar towards their car. But some one looked away, nd now its a matter of law.

how many times did it take for that to happen for our liberties at arms to disappear, i wonder?

[Bailey Guns]

Hmmmm...

Sounds like some folks I've heard from recently may have been involved in THIS story.

[cstone]

Defense attorneys win their case when their client is acquitted.

The government (We the People) win their case when justice is done.

I have been in courtrooms more than once and marveled at excellent defense representation which sometimes won the case for their clients. Many prosecutors and too many LEOs become over invested in winning their case by obtaining a conviction. Optimally, when everything is working as it should, the truth should come out long before a case is every presented to a jury. Plea bargains are necessary to keep dockets running semi-efficiently, not to increase the prosecutor's conviction stats.

Of course, when was the last time anything worked the way it should? Oh, except for my Glock. Bang every time.

[hurley842002]

Of course, when was the last time anything worked the way it should? Oh, except for my Glock. Bang every time.

Amen to that one