Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms

[Elhuero]

pretty good response by lapierre

[BPTactical]

Molon Labe !!!!!!!!!!

Translated.. Shove Your Gun Control Up Your Ass !

F?ckin A Bubba!
I have a MOLON LABE bumper sticker and have had a couple folks ask what it means.

Anybody know who can print some bumper stickers with Sagebrushes eloquent words? I'm in!

[Clint45]

Lame statement-what difference does it make if a 5.7 round or 16" naval shell goes through your gourd?
Dead is dead and IIRC more people have been killed by a 22LR than any other round in civilian shootings.

Yes Clint45, you are the minority.

I certainly would not object if Congress decided to do away with all gun laws entirely, even if that meant no background checks and no more "stop and frisk" searches due to suspicious bulges. If everyone could have whatever gun they wanted and carry it concealed, even machinepistols, I'm not going to complain about that one bit. Thing is, that just ain't gonna happen. I doubt if my somewhat reasonable proposed gun law would pass either. Too many states want their citizens to remain unarmed under penalty of mandatory prison, even if it is an octogenarian with a .25 automatic in her handbag.

Choice of .32 was not arbitrary. .32 ACP is traditionally a police pistol round and civilian self defense round in many European countries. In South America calibers above .38 were prohibited for civilian use (which led to Cooper's use of the .38 Super in the Colt 1911). Restrictions on caliber for civilian caliber is hardly a new idea. And thank you for pointing out that 5.56mm and 5.7mm are smaller than .32 -- oops.

[sniper7]

I certainly would not object if Congress decided to do away with all gun laws entirely, even if that meant no background checks and no more "stop and frisk" searches due to suspicious bulges. If everyone could have whatever gun they wanted and carry it concealed, even machinepistols, I'm not going to complain about that one bit. Thing is, that just ain't gonna happen. I doubt if my somewhat reasonable proposed gun law would pass either. Too many states want their citizens to remain unarmed under penalty of mandatory prison, even if it is an octogenarian with a .25 automatic in her handbag.

Choice of .32 was not arbitrary. .32 ACP is traditionally a police pistol round and civilian self defense round in many European countries. In South America calibers above .38 were prohibited for civilian use (which led to Cooper's use of the .38 Super in the Colt 1911). Restrictions on caliber for civilian caliber is hardly a new idea. And thank you for pointing out that 5.56mm and 5.7mm are smaller than .32 -- oops.

dude, I am 25, I often carry a suspicious bulge around even if I am not CCW'ing.

why don't you show me some stats of all the police that carry around a .32 acp. I would have to put money on it...a LOT of money that it might be something more along the lines of .40 cal with .45 and 9mm right behind it. 12 gauge and .223 would be the shotgun and rifle calibers with .308 and .300 win mag behind the rifle in popularity.
MAYBE .32 might be a back-up ankle gun for SOME guys, but I am guessing more guys carry around a .38 snub nose or even a .380 with the recent popularity spike in that caliber.

also, this is not south america. this is the United States, land of the free, home of the brave, where more people own guns than some countries' people own cars.

Fuck the anti-gunners, fuck obama, and fuck anyone who says the constitution says anything more than is written on the paper. nowhere does it mention classes about guns, nowhere does it mention calibers, nowhere does it mention if the "arms" are fully automatic or fucking flintlock.

it says the people have the right to bear arms. no ifs ands or but's about it. there are no conditions attached to it.

if there are conditions, then freedom of speech should be limited on the internet, on television, radio and anything else that wasn't around during the time the bill of rights were inked out.

[Irving]

He said in many European countries. Not here. I've never even seen a .32acp round.

[Elhuero]

I'm all for MOLON LABE

and I do think it will come to that eventually. when? who knows.

just hope folks realize what that means.

[Mick-Boy]

What law is this? I carry into clubs.

You're right. I was repeating half remembered information and it turns out I was talking out my ass.

[thread hijack]Has the CCW law in Colorado been revised in the last couple of years?[/thread highjack]

[Irving]

Well, I'd probably carry into clubs either way.

[Clint45]

My biggest problem with gun laws is that some of them arbitrarily turn normally law abiding citizens into felons with no legal recourse. Even if the prosecutor acknowledges that you had no criminal intent and were unaware you were even braking the law he will do his best to convict you anyway -- and the jury will probably go along with it. Appeal will be thrown out and conviction will not be overturned. Rights may be lost forever, including right to be gainfully employed in most professions, even if you have a good lawyer who is able to get you out of a prison sentence.

No-one should EVER be charged with a felony for simple possession of a gun. If they don't have a permit and are carrying concealed, confiscate their gun and write them a $500 ticket. Felonies should only be handed out for hurting people and stealing stuff. Unregistered SMG or SBS? Okay, make it a $1000 ticket. 10 years in federal prison for a rifle with a malfunctioning sear or a shotgun barrel a quarter inch below the legal limit is ridiculous. Same thing goes for threatening to prosecute someone for replacing a thumbhole stock with a folder. The penalties don't fit the crime and don't even seem to make sense.

[Aloha_Shooter]

What law is this? I carry into clubs.

You CAN carry into clubs but note: "It is unlawful to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances."

Source: http://www.usacarry.com/colorado_con...formation.html