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    We have thrust our grandchildren in to peonage.

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    Dramatically cut spending (including military) and raise taxes. Or, just deflate the dollar to the point where $1T tomorrow = $1B today. Weee!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

    Also note the value for inflation keeps increasing. We can keep blaming the President or politicians in congress, but in reality we (and by that I mean people who were old enough to vote since the 80's) haven't had the balls to really elect leaders who were serious about the debt.

    I remember seeing a Google Video posted here a while back, which was Reagan before his Presidential bid waxing on about the horror of national debt. Seems ironic, given the facts.



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    I'm past the point of playing the blame game. I don't care who did it...I want it stopped and fixed.

    And you're absolutely right...no one has the balls to do what it takes. I'm looking at the number of Tea Party backed candidates that voted for this nonsense yesterday...DISAPPOINTED!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    And you're absolutely right...no one has the balls to do what it takes. I'm looking at the number of Tea Party backed candidates that voted for this nonsense yesterday...DISAPPOINTED!!!
    I haven't really been convinced the Tea Party is about tax issues since they don't like Ron Paul. He's the only congress critter I've seen that actually walks the walk on budget items.

    I'm pretty sure a large portion of Tea Party members are only there to protest the Kenyan born sekret Muslim that scammed his way into the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I'm pretty sure a large portion of Tea Party members are only there to protest the Kenyan born sekret Muslim that scammed his way into the White House.

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    i am in no way making excuses for scum bag politicians, but the simple fact is even if they do honestly want fiscal responsibility and to fix the debt, its impossible. you need to have both the president and congress in complete control and have enough people agree on the severity of the issue. thats impossible for people who are rich and are paid by the tax payers. they don't live in reality. when you have a mixed bag of power like now and during part of reagan's term, its not possible to get SERIOUS changes done because you have to compromise on everything. compromise usually means failure for everyone in my opinion. with two parties you simply can't get enough big time things done to turn this ship around. we are seriously 100% f'ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmckay2 View Post
    you need to have both the president and congress in complete control
    So in other words George Soros is the only one that can save us now.
    When ya put it like that ya may as well just give up here and now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I haven't really been convinced the Tea Party is about tax issues since they don't like Ron Paul. He's the only congress critter I've seen that actually walks the walk on budget items.

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    On more than one occasion, the good Dr. has been known to stuff pork for his district into dem spending bills that have no chance at failure. But, He can take the high ground, vote against it and then, act all outraged at the "uncontrolled spending".

    From the research I have done on him, He is the living definition of hypocrite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    Dramatically cut spending (including military) and raise taxes.
    I'm all for DRAMATICALLY cutting spending, all about it- but you lost me with raising taxes. Raising taxes stifles economic growth, MAYBE you get a short spike in revenue but that's short lived. That revenue doesn't come close to matching what you'd see if you cut taxes and actually leave money in the hands of job and revenue creating businesses (they even us taught that in a hippie state college...)

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    basically we need another world war, and china needs to be involved. far as I know, they own most of our debt.
    I really don't see, and I don't want taxes to be raised. I also don't see politicians, the fed, states, and local .gov bringing spending down into limits.
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