Need help identifying some guns

[lebru]

Inherited these from my Grandpa who passed a few years ago. The only ones I know are the M1 Garand, and the Mosin-Nagant. The others....No clue. The one with the blemish on the receiver I believe is a Arisaka that was exported from Japan during the occupation. I only say this, because it was with photos of my Great-Grandpa holding a decapitated Japanese soldier's head. The one on the far left has no identifying marks at all. And the Little pistol just says Miami, FL .25 cal.

Here are some pics. Can take more if it will help.
http://imgur.com/a/wMKQo


what kind of ammo can I shoot out of the garand? would regular 30-06 be ok?

[lebru]

The pistol says RG on the grips.

[Aardvark]

The one on the left, with custom sporter stock, looks like a 1903 Springfield action. The other is definately an Arisaka with ground mum. The other two you already know: M1 and 1891 Mosin Nagant. The stray bayonet looks like it's for the M1917 or Enfield No2/P-14. The RG...German made .32cal?

[FireMoth]

Ok, you have a garand, that's finish looks suspect. It would be good to see markings to be sure of who it was built by and where. It can take modern .30-06 ammunition, but it does require an en-block clip to feed. you can just put cartridges in there. if you have never put in an en bloc clip, have some one show you, or lose your thumb.

to the left of the M1 is a 1903 spring field that has been sporterized. i cant tell if it was an A3 that was milled down or not by the pictures, so a maker and serial number check are required for safety. with the rust, it needs a bore and head space check as well. We dont know who did the work, so it should be carefully examined before firing.

to its right is an arisaka rifle. without closer examination, cartridge cant be determined, but since its the shorter carbine its likely 7.7mm. however, we never bet on likely. chamber cast, and examination of the rifle is critical. though the 'mum has been removed from the front ring, there is still some caution about whether its real, or a Japanese grenade. there were some deliberately poorly made rifles meant as sabotage, so it needs to be examined for safety.

I think i was incorrect, and that last is a split bridge mosin. if you can get a bolt, which you probaly can, its the least risky to fire, except that its a mosin

The only reference to the pistol i can find is a Rigarmi RG26... cheap Italian pocket pistol.

All should be looked at by a competent gun smith before use.

[lebru]

The one on the left, with custom sporter stock, looks like a 1903 Springfield action. The other is definately an Arisaka with ground mum. The other two you already know: M1 and 1891 Mosin Nagant. The stray bayonet looks like it's for the M1917 or Enfield No2/P-14. The RG...German made .32cal?

Found out the pistol, its a German .25 that was recalled a while back because slides were hitting people in the head. Well a Germany copy pistol...RG Industries.


The bolt action on the left is a Rock Island Arsenal? I don't plan on shooting it. The action is rusted shut.
http://imgur.com/a/faWkg


I have the bolt for the mosin, I took it out when I put them in my car on the way over.

The garand is a springfield armory, serial number 498xxx. I thought the bayonet was for the Garand, but it didn't fit. The sheath is made of leather...no ID marks on it.

[ldmaster]

about a dozen PM's asking how much you want for the Garand. It's serial number is VERY low and was probably in service in WWII - so KEEP IT. They're worth slightly more if they haven't been messed with.

I assume you're still crying over the rust. Unfortunately, once rusted metal cannot be restored to original strength or beauty, buy you should get the rust off NOW - or at the worse, slop some grease on to help the rusting slow down until someone can help you do it right. The most important thing to check is bore and chamber, if those aren't rusted out, you're ok, just got an ugly gun!

The Arizaka sporter may or may not be original equipment, check the barrel for markings, if it LOOKS original japanese then it's not a sporter, but I have an Arisaka sporter that is a tack driver, that had had the original barrel rebored for 257 Roberts, and a french comb stock added.

The garand's low serial number means that IF it was sold to a civilian, it was probably in the 80's, a lot of rifles in that serial range were sold by the old ODCMP at that time. Again, it's fairly low serial number puts it up in price, and makes it a little hard to replace - hold onto this one.

Never liked the 03's, kicked like a mule and not very pretty.

Surplus ammo should be used, pressure gradients in the Garand make it CRUCIAL that you get ammo that was spec'd for it - commercial 30-06 may have chamber pressures that are too high. Don't forget that nearly all surplus 06 ammo is at least slightly corrosive, not to worry, you just have to use a water based solvent to clean it, like Mpro7. Don't be stingy with it either, remmber it has to melt the corrosive crystals and get washed away. Some guys just use hot water, or windex with a good lubrication after firing corrosive ammo. Corrosive ammo is ONLY a problem if you let it sit t0o long and it starts to rust, it also smells a bit funny when you fire it. It's not the propellant, but the primer that has corrosive properties, some guys test for corrosiveness by unseating the bullet, dropping the powdear out and firing the primer into an unoiled piece of polished steel, leave it three days and if it rusts up, it's corrosive.

[gcrookston]

Springfield
P14 Bayonet
Arisaka
Erma pistol (most likely .25 acp, though some were .32)

[<MADDOG>]

How the hell did this get moved to "For Sale". I don't see anywhere he's selling them...

[FireMoth]

The bolt action on the left is a Rock Island Arsenal? I don't plan on shooting it. The action is rusted shut.
http://imgur.com/a/faWkg

We need a serial number, sans last 3 on that rock island 1903. safety issue. if its rusted shut, its probably moot, but worth the check anyway.

EDIT: Saw the serial in the pic. Just above the safe range, if the rust damage hasn't made it totally unfirable.

[lebru]

We need a serial number, sans last 3 on that rock island 1903. safety issue. if its rusted shut, its probably moot, but worth the check anyway.

EDIT: Saw the serial in the pic. Just above the safe range, if the rust damage hasn't made it totally unfirable.

Yeah you can't cycle the bolt so it won't be able to fire. I guess Rock Island Arsenal is a huge Defense Department contractor....like massive. I checked out their website this morning.

How the hell did this get moved to "For Sale". I don't see anywhere he's selling them...

I have no idea, but it isn't there today.

about a dozen PM's asking how much you want for the Garand. It's serial number is VERY low and was probably in service in WWII - so KEEP IT. They're worth slightly more if they haven't been messed with.

I assume you're still crying over the rust. Unfortunately, once rusted metal cannot be restored to original strength or beauty, buy you should get the rust off NOW - or at the worse, slop some grease on to help the rusting slow down until someone can help you do it right. The most important thing to check is bore and chamber, if those aren't rusted out, you're ok, just got an ugly gun!

The Arizaka sporter may or may not be original equipment, check the barrel for markings, if it LOOKS original japanese then it's not a sporter, but I have an Arisaka sporter that is a tack driver, that had had the original barrel rebored for 257 Roberts, and a french comb stock added.

The garand's low serial number means that IF it was sold to a civilian, it was probably in the 80's, a lot of rifles in that serial range were sold by the old ODCMP at that time. Again, it's fairly low serial number puts it up in price, and makes it a little hard to replace - hold onto this one.

Never liked the 03's, kicked like a mule and not very pretty.

Surplus ammo should be used, pressure gradients in the Garand make it CRUCIAL that you get ammo that was spec'd for it - commercial 30-06 may have chamber pressures that are too high. Don't forget that nearly all surplus 06 ammo is at least slightly corrosive, not to worry, you just have to use a water based solvent to clean it, like Mpro7. Don't be stingy with it either, remmber it has to melt the corrosive crystals and get washed away. Some guys just use hot water, or windex with a good lubrication after firing corrosive ammo. Corrosive ammo is ONLY a problem if you let it sit t0o long and it starts to rust, it also smells a bit funny when you fire it. It's not the propellant, but the primer that has corrosive properties, some guys test for corrosiveness by unseating the bullet, dropping the powdear out and firing the primer into an unoiled piece of polished steel, leave it three days and if it rusts up, it's corrosive.

I am going to keep it, I just didn't know a whole lot about it. I do know that when he was serving in the army he was issued a Garand. He never saw combat, actually he built highways over on the Big Island in Hawaii. I was always told it was just his rifle from when he served. The Garand has some clips, like 5 or 6, and I loaded them with dummy rounds and it was able to cycle and dry fire onto the snap cap. The action feels nice and tight, but a little stiff when racking it.

As far as the Arisaka goes, I was told at least that it was from my Great-Grandfather who was part of the occupying force after WW2 and when he came back he took it back with him which is the reason why the lotus flower was shaved off the receiver per the rules back then. What other sorts of pictures do you need to identify it? The serial number is 79XXX with some other little markings on the side, one of them looks like the Trinity symbol similar to this. I need a bigger safe, there was only room for the Garand. The Mosin is way to big to fit in there, and the rest there was just simply no room.


I am just curious to learn more about these guns, I have no idea other than what i've seen on documentaries or movies. Anyone know a gun smith I could talk to to have him check out if the Garand is able to shoot? I heard Hornady makes ammo specifically for Garands now...