How much trouble am I in...

[OneGuy67]

OneGuy67, you're in the unenviable position of being a cop on a gun forum.

Chances are the fact that you post here means you're probably one of the "good ones" so you just need to realize that you don't have to defend the "bad ones" on the force ... of course the over arching debate is "Are there more good cops than bad ones today and is the number of bad ones going up or down?"

I've known a lot of cops over the years. My parents (who live in Wichita Kansas) have had a cop living next door for the last 20 or so years and he's one of the good ones (although his firearm handling and maintenance skills are somewhat lacking ... I'm glad he's been riding a desk the last few years for his own safety).

I was raised to trust and respect the police so I have to believe there was a time when they were better than they are today. More good cops need to rise in the ranks and keep the young ones in line and stand up to the political leadership (unfortunately police departments are political in nature, like any other large organization so the best tend not to rise to the top, just the better connected and those that will play the political games).

Because more and more "right and wrong" have nothing to do with "legal and illegal".

I agree. I'm swimming against the tide on this forum. For the most part, I just read and do not respond unless someone asks a question. Occasionally, something irritates me and I feel the need to answer the shot over the bow, so to speak.

I don't defend bad cops; my current job includes the investigation of bad cops. I like doing that as I don't want the bad apple in the barrel. However, many people believe there are bad cops when there isn't, because an investigation didn't go the way they wanted it to or have the ending they wanted, the cops must be bad.

We are going to have to disagree on the "right" and "wrong" having nothing to do with "legal" and "illegal".

[Byte Stryke]

I agree. I'm swimming against the tide on this forum. For the most part, I just read and do not respond unless someone asks a question. Occasionally, something irritates me and I feel the need to answer the shot over the bow, so to speak.

I don't defend bad cops; my current job includes the investigation of bad cops. I like doing that as I don't want the bad apple in the barrel. However, many people believe there are bad cops when there isn't, because an investigation didn't go the way they wanted it to or have the ending they wanted, the cops must be bad.

We are going to have to disagree on the "right" and "wrong" having nothing to do with "legal" and "illegal".

I have to ask.
Doesn't it raise your ire to find a bad cop and know that the general populaces opinion is, if only somewhat, correct?

and by bad cop, I don't necessarily mean that he is killing people or on the take, but just that he is not performing/abusing his job as he should and in a manner that brings distrust to the force.

[OneGuy67]

I have to ask.
Doesn't it raise your ire to find a bad cop and know that the general populaces opinion is, if only somewhat, correct?

and by bad cop, I don't necessarily mean that he is killing people or on the take, but just that he is not performing/abusing his job as he should and in a manner that brings distrust to the force.

Byte,

I'm never going to win here, as the general opinion of the forum is against me. I can name 100 positive things for every negative one posted, but that wouldn't matter. In fact, a number of the anti-cop things you've posted over the past year came from other states and not here. I can't defend against those, as they have different standards. I was in Michigan once for training and learned they hire 19-year olds as cops. No education, no life experience, nothing. I can't defend against that. That has stupid written all over it.

It raises my anger when there is someone who truly is discrediting the badge and what it symbolizes and the responsibility that goes with it. It also raises my anger when there are people who criticize and have no understanding, or see things from a very limited point of view without regard to the bigger picture. Same goes for those who attack the military and want to socialize it.

[Monky]

I'm never going to win here, as the general opinion of the forum is against me. I can name 100 positive things for every negative one posted, but that wouldn't matter

Well I'm against the General opinion.. I grew up in a LE family.. plenty of LE friends.. I know there are good ones and bad ones. I've run into more 'good' than 'bad'..but the bad ones stand out for sure. Not sure i've ever mentioned good dealings to anyone but my LE buddies. The bad ones get told though.. I should work on that.

[Byte Stryke]

Byte,
It raises my anger when there is someone who truly is discrediting the badge and what it symbolizes and the responsibility that goes with it. It also raises my anger when there are people who criticize and have no understanding, or see things from a very limited point of view without regard to the bigger picture. Same goes for those who attack the military and want to socialize it.

this is the answer I had asked about... I deleted the other part from your quote due to lack of relevance the the question.

as for my "limited point of view"
My Brother is your "Brother", we will leave it at that.

Military thing, When a Police officer can get a call at 2am and be on a plane for the other side of the planet before sunrise not knowing if/when he gets to come home... THEN I will say he's military.

I don't envy your position on this forum. I appreciate it.
You, obviously are one of the good guys, I do not fault you for the faults of the LEO Community anymore than you blame me when the "interwebs R borked".
I appreciate your input and candor. It does offer a different perspective.

I am jaded, I admit. but that doesn't mean I cannot be convinced

[Byte Stryke]

Whose fingerprints are on the bat are pretty irrelevant)

wut u sez?

I want that bat sent to trace, I want to know everyone that handled it, when it was made and where. I want to talk to the person that painted the damned thing before the next commercial break!!

[Mazin]

"Can't we all just get along"

Sry had too...

[OneGuy67]

this is the answer I had asked about... I deleted the other part from your quote due to lack of relevance the the question.

as for my "limited point of view"
My Brother is your "Brother", we will leave it at that.

Military thing, When a Police officer can get a call at 2am and be on a plane for the other side of the planet before sunrise not knowing if/when he gets to come home... THEN I will say he's military.

I don't envy your position on this forum. I appreciate it.
You, obviously are one of the good guys, I do not fault you for the faults of the LEO Community anymore than you blame me when the "interwebs R borked".
I appreciate your input and candor. It does offer a different perspective.

I am jaded, I admit. but that doesn't mean I cannot be convinced

We'll have to get that beer soon and chat!

[sniper7]

Some of you guys seem to armchair quarterback the ultra-simple into a CSI murder case.

Real world: Nobody gives a shit. Sad truth. Gangbanger isn't going to court. Neither is driver. Cop files report. Little paragraph in blotter. Life goes on.

That is my opinion as well. I don't see it going anywhere. The report will get taken, they might put out something that says to watch for such and such plate # and it will get lost in translation.

No one was injured, no shots fired, no vehicle damage.

spyder, I don't think you have anything to worry about. I wouldn't say a whole lot more to the cops other than you were in fear for your life and took the necessary steps to defend yourself and your family, and in the end it worked out well, no shots were fired, the guy drove off and things are fine now.

[Mtn.man]

Whut kinda bat? Louisville, or cheapy china bat?