Need help in understanding this -

[BlasterBob]

I guess I'm really getting quite old as I have one hell of a time understanding their wording when someone selling a firearm, they list it showing the model and then the words " New in the Box".

Then their ad indicates that they have fired the firearm maybe thirty or forty times. Was surely new in the box when they purchased it but after being fired a few times,(the way I see it) it is no longer NEW in the BOX. I am seeing more and more ads like this. I'd think it'd be more accurate so say "LIKE new in the box".
Please help this old guy to understand this.

I am NOT singling anyone out here. This is meant to be just an general question as this happens a lot lately!! THANKS!

[SideShow Bob]

Yes Sir,
NIB should indicate never fired by the owner, other than factory fired for functional/accuracy purposes.
LNIB should be used to describe a firearm that has been fired only for a few rounds and in a from the factory condition. No idiot marks or or blemishes in the finish, and very carefully disassembled/reassembled for a detailed cleaning.
I see the same thing in a lot of ads from noobsters.

ATTENTION to all NOOBS, if it has been fired, it is NOT New In Box !!!

[ChunkyMonkey]

Buyer beware, I ignore those and inspect the firearms as if I was to inspect any other purchases, new or used.

[Bailey Guns]

Even when I have an unfired gun for sale that is unfired in the box I try to always call it "used but unfired" or "previously owned but unfired and like new" or something similar.

I'm with you. I really get irritated when I see a used gun advertised as new.

I actually prefer buying used because of the potential savings...but call the damn thing used.

[JIMUSMC]

Buyer beware, I ignore those and inspect the firearms as if I was to inspect any other purchases, new or used.

Amen brother. Inspect it as you would a used car. I try to be severely critical in my descriptions of condition. Generally I like to think I am correct. But some of these guys get a bit carried away with their assessment of things... And their "values" of the guns are getting pretty fucking silly too... I saw a guy selling a Century VZ58 clone for $950 a couple weeks ago. These people are smoking crack out there....

[Mazin]

+1 on the NIB (new unfired) LNIB (fired but low count good condition)

+5 on some owners smoking crack, gun values being new or better.

I could be wrong but even if its NIB the owner should understand that they are going to have to take a bit off the top to sell.

[BlasterBob]

Good to see that the membership (so far) has agreed with me on this one.
Sometime in the near future, I'll be attempting to sell my Norinco UNFIRED SKS. I bought this gun brand new almost 20 years ago and have never fired it. Although I don't have the box for it anymore, I'll probably list it as "LIKE new - unfired" to keep things more accurate. It is kinda different to buy a firearm new and not shoot in almost 20 years. Hell, even if I do eventually fire just one round from it, it probably won't be depreciating THAT much anyhow. At least if I do get one or two shots off, I'll be confident that it does function OK. Kinda reminds me of someone buying a brand new unfired (except at the factory) pistol to be their CCW weapon and never even firing it to determine that it will function as it should if it is drawn.

[DSB OUTDOORS]

+1 on the NIB (new unfired) LNIB (fired but low count good condition)

+5 on some owners smoking crack, gun values being new or better.

I could be wrong but even if its NIB the owner should understand that they are going to have to take a bit off the top to sell.

^^^ Mazin's right! A little trick I learned early in life, open the bolt and or action and stick your pinky finger in the chamber! I don't care how they may have cleaned it. But 9 times out of 10 I get black powder residue on my finger and call the bluff. Less money, been fired end of story.

[Byte Stryke]

for the NIBs I would add a stipulation into the sale
"Before I buy this can we take it to my Gunsmith? I will pay for the inspection charge. I Just want to make sure its safe and sound and in condition as advertised."

I won't mention names or anything... But I threw that out there and I suddenly felt like a priest in a confessional.

I declined the sale and we agreed to just go our separate ways.

[KevDen2005]

I guess I'm really getting quite old as I have one hell of a time understanding their wording when someone selling a firearm, they list it showing the model and then the words " New in the Box".

Then their ad indicates that they have fired the firearm maybe thirty or forty times. Was surely new in the box when they purchased it but after being fired a few times,(the way I see it) it is no longer NEW in the BOX. I am seeing more and more ads like this. I'd think it'd be more accurate so say "LIKE new in the box".
Please help this old guy to understand this.

I am NOT singling anyone out here. This is meant to be just an general question as this happens a lot lately!! THANKS!

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