Anyone Know This Moron???

[Colorado Luckydog]

Nice spin.
would you run from an assailant with a 4 thousand pound weapon?

Every single time I could get away. It's not my plan to smoke someone just because I have a CCW. If I can get away, I'll run. Will I fight, you bet but last resort. This was not this guys last resort.

[Elhuero]

it was a Saturday afternoon....

wow, crazy. thanks for sharing byte.

[Byte Stryke]

I just think its funny that when faced by liberal spun facts from a known anti gun media outlet all of these "Pro 2-A" people are so fast to suck down the kool-aide and Throw this guy under the bus.
when 3 LEOs saw nothing to pursue. I can only assume the Supervisor and LT are experienced to top that off.

We can sit here and play what if and if it were me.. all day.
We weren't there, We Dont know, Maybe she came charging down the lane at 40MPH and he pulled... we don't know. If he did screw up, that could have been any of us. Don't think for a second you or any of us are not capable of a mistake. And any mistake, Male or Female, Driver of 4K pound weapon or of a G-Lock, has consequences.

I am simply saying that there's more to the story that we aren't hearing.

[Byte Stryke]

And to add: CRS 18.1.704:1-2
Deadly physical force may be used only if you reasonably believe a lesser degree of force would be inadequate. Additionally, one of the following must be true: (reasonable belief of being killed or great bodily injury)

I'm just saying, regardless of situation, there is no outcome here that allows the use of deadly physical force by "Lindsay" regardless of the details. If there is no outcome that justifies the use of deadly physical force, he should not be drawing a firearm. Do not draw a weapon unless you are ready to use it, and justified in doing so.

The lesson learned here, is if you have a CWP, you need to keep a cool head, and be a more responsible person than the average joe - have the ability to let things go. If a person cannot do this, they really should not be carrying a firearm concealed. You can never be in a position where you are an aggressor, or seen as provoking action.

I Didnt see where he had discharged his weapon.
so, since we are quoting law...
doesn't USE of deadly work require the discharge of the weapon?

otherwise it is threat and may be considered equal if there are skid marks from her vehicle showing she threatened him with the vehicle as stated.
Maybe he got out of the car to ask her why the hell she was going the wrong way? Maybe the whole thing is a CIA Plant story meant to undermine the entire 2a Movement and get us to join the Brady campaign and inform for the BATFE!


AHHHHH PANIC!

or maybe you guys are just so inundated with media you cant see,Cops on scene said no-foul, girly didnt get her way, his statements were taken out of context by her and Media spun up and the best they can do is a municiple code violation?




yeah... somewhere there is a bag FULL of bullshit.


/Done with it

[K31Fan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this whole post start out as you covering our collective asses in case one of the anti-gun people came across this site? I mean, it seems as though people are making a concerted effort to reasonably and logically condemn this dude for his irrational and deplorable actions...
Then again, maybe I'm wrong...
...for once.

[Zundfolge]

I just think its funny that when faced by liberal spun facts from a known anti gun media outlet all of these "Pro 2-A" people are so fast to suck down the kool-aide and Throw this guy under the bus.
when 3 LEOs saw nothing to pursue. I can only assume the Supervisor and LT are experienced to top that off.

This is why I think her story is probably BS and this guy may very well have been justified in drawing.

Are the Aurora PD known to give gun owners the extreme benefit of the doubt or are they more likely to throw the book at one?

[BREATHER]

OK, They're both assholes. She at a grocery store buying money orders which means:
1) she's paying for her CCW permit LOL (oh I shouldn't have said that, sarcasm)
2) she doesn't have a checking account which makes her a loser, probably on disability

He is an asshole for;
1) if she did try to run him over, just jump out of the way and after she parks kick the fuck out of her.
2) he is just an asshole. he should have saved his rights for a real emergency.

I am sick and fucking tired of having my rights eroded away because of stupidity. I am a firm believer that most humans are stupid fucks.

[alxone]

the simple fact remains that it should have never come up , true or false , right or wrong . she was not armed (with a gun , yeah yeah car ect) and he should have had the foresight to see and judge the situation as one not needing a firearm . the fact that its even news is the real problem here . Its hard to defend the actions when only one party was armed and no real danger took place . Its not like the story read "man with cwp saves unarmed woman in parking lot " . No matter witch way you spin it, it looks bad and we know that the liberal media needs no reason to go after guns and there owners , so why give them a reason . no matter what it reflects on all gun owners ,cwp or not .
Highway , street , driveway or parking lot , would you really end someones life or risk everything over this?
No matter witch way you slice this cheese it stinks .
just my opinion

[Byte Stryke]

When they have no witnesses, it becomes he said she said. And there are charges brought against the man... not the woman.

Also, Re: the deadly force byte.... you fail to see my point. Yes, nobody is killed, no shots are fired.

Why are you drawing a gun if you are not ready and justified in use it?

That is your litmus test in "should you draw". Are you ready, are you justified in using it. Period. There is no situation where its okay to wave a gun around for the sake of waving it around. Note: I don't say you have to use it if you draw it (some instructors claim that), I simply say you must be willing and ready to.

I think we can safely say, No, and No. Would he have shot the lady if she didn't back up? I doubt it, unless hes into the whole manslaughter thing. Would he be justified if he did? Hell no. No and No.

And you're entire basis of argument is from completely theoretical details. Now she left skid marks? Like I said, try to justify it if she stepped out of her car with a bazooka. He still doesn't have a legal claim to justified self defense. (though a 3rd party would)

then you do not justify the right of an aggressor to flee?

Just as a hypothetical that may or may not be relevant here.
An aggressor moves towards to in a manner which will cause death or serious injury... oh lets say speeding at you in a car, or has happened lately, walking at you in an aggressive posture with a large solid piece of sporting equipment.

as I Understand you, you are saying if I See an undeniable threat and I Draw, I am then obligated to kill the threat even should he/she see the fact I am not going down as easily as he/She had initially thought and they Flee or stand down?
Would it not be more responsible to also stand down while maintain a defensive posture.


Just trying to get your perception on this.

[BREATHER]

The two above entries are why politicians look at us as being morons and they keep cutting jobs and shaving our rights away AND they stay in their jobs

If you are in fear of your life you draw your weapon. For christ sake. Not because you're PMS'esn or having a bad day. There are assholes out there everyday, ya can't kill 'em all.

There is no room for argument. USE YOUR FUCKING COMMON SENSE AND IF YOU CAN'T THEN THEY WILL TAKE YOU GUN AWAY COLD FINGERS OR NOT.