AR vs AK

[jreifsch80]

i like your write up bigmat but what puzzles me is why you have a difference in need of care between an akm and an ak74? also something to consider is accuracy is a little closer than most people think if the same grade pars are used, obviously an ak with a factory type crappy trigger, a factory barrel with a military chamber designed for reliability while filled with krud firing mass produced military grade STEEL cased ammo won't hold a candle to an ar with a nice commercial barrel and even mediocre commercial brass cased ammo. but a well built ak with a decent barrel like a green mountain barrel, firing decent brass cased commercial ammo with a good trigger and a decent scope and mount will shoot much closer than expected to an ar with the same type of quality componants.

in my opinion there isn't exactly a way to say an ar or an ak are better, just depends on what is better for you. i personally prefer ak's among some of the reasons are cheaper ammo, i love folders especially under folders and i like the styling (laminate wood, bake-lite, steel mags) but at the same time i don't feel an ak is better than an ar. i would say they are somewhat even so if only i could build a 5.45 ar that takes ak-74 mags and has a gas piston then i would be set

[jreifsch80]

This disproved my theory that AK's are more reliable that AR's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRwx4wtmms

even with a nice clean gun .223 ak's can be problematic, let alone a romanian ak haha, with feeding and ejection. for some reason ak's don't like .223 as much as the com-bloc rounds i think due to the straighter walls of the cartridge.

your generalization would be like if i sad all ar's have unreliable bolts because they are prone to cracking since some 7.62x39 ar bolts crack

[BigMat]

...difference in need of care between an akm and an ak74?

I said that only because of the majority of the ammo for each platform, if you have a 47, odds are you shoot a fair bit of wolf (not corrosive), but if you have a 74, odds on you shoot a fair bit of surplus (corrosive). If you shoot wolf from each, then same-same. To be fair I guess, the 74 would probably be fine with just a few shots of Windex after the trip to the range, I would like to see that as the cleaning and lube plan for an AR!


As to the accuracy bit, I took my old AK and buddy who is AZ now took his. I had a Bulgarian, he had a SLG-21. We were hitting what we were aiming at, to about 500 yards. MOA, no way, it was iron sighted fire, but I wouldn't volunteer to stand down range. We corrected right to repeated easy hits on a small torso sized target. I leaned AR for accuracy only because most have a rail mounted on top of the rifle as issued, Which facilitates glass, i.e. accurate shooting.

That being said, I roll my eyes every time I hear "AKs are 3-5 MOA rifles" as though its such a bad thing, from guys with 4 MOA red dots on their ARs!


I love both for different reasons

[BigMat]

This disproved my theory that AK's are more reliable that AR's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRwx4wtmms

I see your video, and raise you this insanity!

Its a new CLP mud lube!

[jreifsch80]

ah i understand, as for my akm's i'm not a big wolf fan but alot of people shoot it, i like yugo m67 pretty accurate for military ammo.

a buddy of mine is ex ukrainian military and he was taught that if he was seperated from his cleaning kit, he was to piss down the barrel and run a boot lace through the bore haha i guess the amonia in the urine would nutralize the corrosive primer salts like windex lol. but yeah a few squirts of windex is fine, i have a romy g that lived it's first 1000 rounds having never been cleaned or lubed and it did fine with me not the slightest bit of corrosion though we do live in a pretty arid climate.

also i see your point about the red dot guys complaining about ak accuracy. if i need to hit something past 500 yards i'll use my mauser but a properly built akm or ak74 will shoot as good as most of the people operating them, though a factory ak trigger is one of the worst sloppiest triggers ever devised haha

[BigMat]

a buddy of mine is ex ukrainian military and he was taught that if he was seperated from his cleaning kit, he was to piss down the barrel and run a boot lace through the bore haha i guess the amonia in the urine would nutralize the corrosive primer salts like windex lol.

Is it weird that this makes me want an AK again? I might need some professional help.

[jreifsch80]

get a kit and come on up i now have a set of pnuematic rivet squashers so next time Jim has a build party i'll bring them by and they will make everyone's front trunnion very fast and easy to install. dsa has amd-65 kits with us made nitrade treated barrels for around 225 that's a pretty good deal in my book.


i still need to finally build an ar but i'm having trouble deciding between 5.56 or 5.45

[jreifsch80]

also everyone says ar vs ak but what about adding hk roller delayed blowback rifles to the debate?

[gcrookston]

also everyone says ar vs ak but what about adding hk roller delayed blowback rifles to the debate?

-- Because it would be unfair to the AR and AK guys (the only valid criticisms of the HK33 or G3 is they are heavy and they are dirty)...

[Colorado Osprey]

-- (the only valid criticisms of the HK33 or G3 is they are heavy and they are dirty)...

Don't forget their recoil is high in comparison to other rifles of the same caliber.... and even the added heft didn't compensate for it.