Today I played "Open Carry"

[porfiriozg]

i pose a question if you see a robbery and hold the bad guy at gun point i there a way that will end with out you getting shot

you may remember the home owner in Arizona that was shot by cops for stopping a burglar (holding him at gun point) till officers arrived.

[Monky]

i pose a question if you see a robbery and hold the bad guy at gun point i there a way that will end with out you getting shot

you may remember the home owner in Arizona that was shot for stopping a burglar (holding him at gun point) till officers arrived.

Who shot the homeowner in AZ? the guy he was holding at gun point? Or the officers?

[KevDen2005]

idmaster - thank God for cops like you. It gives me hope for the future. As far as the debate with KevDen2005, that illustrates how cops are conditioned to think, “I'm a cop and what I say is the law.” However it is enlightening to hear your opinions KevDen2005. I hope you don't hide them from us. I don't otherwise have any insight how real cops think.

I'm definitely for more open carry. It will re-condition everyone to get used to the fact that it's our right to own guns. And we're not a bunch of nuts.

I was in a minor car ascendent recently. I do have a CCW and was carrying in my truck which has lots of pro gun and anti obama stickers. After getting my ticket handed to me the officer was very polite. He said, I wish we could have met in better circumstances. Yes sir, me to. Do you have a gun? Yes sir. As a courtesy please let the us know you have a gun.

He told me the other guy also had a gun. The officer was very polite and young. But my CCW instructor recommended against telling cops you have a gun.

I don't think anything I said was implied "What I say is the law." I am merely informing on different situations and interpretations. Again I am being completely misconstrued.

As for CCW. I have had great contacts with people who have them. When I conduct traffic stops the people that I have stopped that have them handed me the card with all of their stuff whether they had a gun or not. At the end of the contact I ALWAYS inform them that it is not a Colorado requirement to do so, however LEO's really appreciate when it is done. And because I appreciate it so much I usually release them with a warning for whatever traffic offense I stopped them for (when possible) as a courtesy in return.

At no time did I ever say anything to the effect of it's my way or the highway.

[KevDen2005]

Who shot the homeowner in AZ? the guy he was holding at gun point? Or the officers?

If it's the same case I am thinking of the answer is yes. Officers arrived and shot guy with gun, in this case it was the homeowner trying to protect his family without actually killing a bad guy.

The shitty thing here is that, if my memory serves me correct, the phone line was still open with 911, or something like that and the officers were overheard on how to cover themselves to not get into trouble.

I wasn't there so I hate to monday morning quarterback the initial shooting, however, the cover up portions is the part where cops everywhere get a bad name, in my opinion. It sounds like they acted too fast, like I said I wasn't there.

I understand it is hard for people to admit when they messed up and so on, but this is a situation where mistrust in the system and the police are even furthered. People who are law-abiding are in fear of being shot. I don't blame them. I think about this whenever I think of any scenario where I would use my gun off duty.

This is what I can remember, if anyone has better info please share

[TFOGGER]

I too have heard conflicting issues on this and in the mean time I Simply hand my CHP over with my DL, thus avoiding the "I have a gun" Statement.

So from the LEO perspective, is it better to not volunteer it and to simply answer truthfully if asked?

Totally off topic...

I'm pretty sure my CHP got me out of a pretty ugly speeding ticket the other day. I wasn't carrying, but didn't want any surprises coming up in the computer when he ran my license, so I handed him my permit with my license and paperwork He asked if I was armed, I said no, but I didn't want any surprises. He thanked me, ran my license, and told me I should probably slow down (He got me on laser +24). He also asked me what I did for a living...seemed surprised when I said "I own a motorcycle shop".

[rondog]

To the LEO's - just curious here, but when you're doing an investigation/interview of a person open carrying, and you disarm/take control of the person's gun for whatever reason..... is it policy to unload that weapon? Or is it normally left as-is, just temporarily taken control of?

I personally would think that the more a gun is handled, the more potential danger there is. Talking to an OC'er and not disarming him seems to me to be far safer for everyone than having him hand over his gun, or physically taking his gun, and then unloading it, then reloading it, reholstering etc.

After all, a gun can't just "go off" if nobody's handling it. Seems to me that handling a firearm in a public setting should be avoided by everyone concerned if at all possible.

As far as OC is concerned, I'm still too damn scared to try it. I'm sure it would bring misery unto me at some point, in one way or another. One of those things that I'd love to try, but there really isn't any need for me to.

[Elhuero]

I don't open carry because I'm unlucky.

with my luck streak I'd get a perfect storm of a busload of soccer moms and an officer who's girlfriend just dumped him that would land me in jail.

I've got a HUGE problem with cops telling citizens that they need to avoid doing something so that the "dont' have a problem". It's one thing to advise a citizen to not go into a bad neighborhood carrying cash falling out of your pockets, it's another thing entirely to advise them to not draw the attention of the police department that is SUPPOSED to be there to keep the peace.

so do I.

and I'm really glad I don't live in CA, where you can only open carry unloaded and the police will stop you and check the firearm is indeed unloaded and "to make sure its not stolen"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsl0W...el_video_title

in this video, the officer tells the guy that he's also a second amendment supporter but that he shouldn't open carry because that's just going to make people call the police, and OC will just wind up getting outlawed, so he's not doing gun rights a favor by open carrying.

that is just stupid. that is like supporting abortion as a deterrent for sudden infant death syndrome and bathtub accidents.

better not exercise your right, or you will lose it. yeah, that makes sense officer.

but I will say one thing. if I lived in CA, or if CO enacted open carry laws like CA, I would start to open carry EVERY DAY.

EDITED TO ADD: oh, and that youtoube video is not alone. lots of videos showing police from ALL OVER the country, not just california, showing gross ignorance of the law. part of the reason why I'm critical of police.

[Monky]

Totally off topic...

I'm pretty sure my CHP got me out of a pretty ugly speeding ticket the other day. I wasn't carrying, but didn't want any surprises coming up in the computer when he ran my license, so I handed him my permit with my license and paperwork He asked if I was armed, I said no, but I didn't want any surprises. He thanked me, ran my license, and told me I should probably slow down (He got me on laser +24). He also asked me what I did for a living...seemed surprised when I said "I own a motorcycle shop".

I've had that happen.. I swear I got out of the ticket cause I was carrying and informed the CSP officer...

[KevDen2005]

To the LEO's - just curious here, but when you're doing an investigation/interview of a person open carrying, and you disarm/take control of the person's gun for whatever reason..... is it policy to unload that weapon? Or is it normally left as-is, just temporarily taken control of?

I personally would think that the more a gun is handled, the more potential danger there is. Talking to an OC'er and not disarming him seems to me to be far safer for everyone than having him hand over his gun, or physically taking his gun, and then unloading it, then reloading it, reholstering etc.

After all, a gun can't just "go off" if nobody's handling it. Seems to me that handling a firearm in a public setting should be avoided by everyone concerned if at all possible.

As far as OC is concerned, I'm still too damn scared to try it. I'm sure it would bring misery unto me at some point, in one way or another. One of those things that I'd love to try, but there really isn't any need for me to.

Totally depends on the circumstances of why that person is being contacted...sometimes yes it is safer to leave on person and other times no...

[rondog]

Totally depends on the circumstances of why that person is being contacted...sometimes yes it is safer to leave on person and other times no...

Thanks! But what about the unloading part?