I know we're united here on the 2nd Amendment...but how about the 1st?

[sniper7]

There needs to be more of you and less of them. Your a minority in the teaching community for sure. We should "elect" our teachers. IMO.

That would be awesome to do that...yet very few people want to put up with all those kids 5 days a week...for pretty poor starting pay and relatively poor finishing pay. The biggest perk they have is the retirement.

Most definitely a minority. My wife is a middle ground republican/conservative...but a lot of the teachers around her are not even close and do not hide it. very liberal and even harp on her for being a republican...even the principal has made comments.

But there are several of them. Her good friend she teaches with is very conservative and her husband and I are good friends and hunt together. The gym teacher at her school is also a hunter and conservative. So at least there are a few!

Most kids reflect off their parents though. IMO few kids take the teachers liberal views into a perspective where they think the same way...most of them don't catch on. Most kids spew the same words of their parents. I have seen kids that were super pro obama and thought he was the messiah and going to save the whole world...then on the opposite extreme the kids that said obama was the devil and was the worst mistake ever made and he should get deported and doesn't have a birth certificate and can't be president...the list goes on!

where the biggest hurdle is IMO is the collegiate level. BUT, most of them already have a mindset and are fueled one extreme or the other by the professor. A lot has to do with the field of study as well. In the aviation program I was in we were all pretty conservative, but you go to the arts department and you will see the opposite.

[Elhuero]

a high school principal acting like a potentate?

that's unpossible.

[TS12000]

Who the hell even reads a school paper anyway? Sure the principal is a jerkoff but if this was really about getting this story out the kids would just take a ride down to Kinkos and print off a few copies. You have the right of freedom of press not to the funding of one. If it is that important to you make it happen.

Edit: I would also like to note that I am pretty sure no one here is under the illusion that public schools are bastions of rights in any for, considering it's for the children and all...

[Irving]

Sniper, your view point is extremely sad. You obviously were never in a newspaper class. The newspaper is a great way to learn how to operate a newspaper in a very hands on setting. That includes fund raising.

You get the same amount of hands on in newspaper as you do in woodshop. Producing an article about a student's death is a pretty far cry from gossip. The opposite I'd say.

I wrote for my school newspaper for a few year. We had to fund it ourselves. The teacher was also the English teachers for all the grades. Some pretty disappointing view points in this thread. Very sad.

[Hoosier]

personally I don't want to see any more journalists and story tellers being born because the media is large enough and shitty enough as it is...shut the bitch down.

Classic, would read again. Goddamn journalists and story tellers being born to get into the giant and shitty media industry.

H.

[arz]

They are not making any money off the paper...quite the opposite.

you sure they're high school and not professional?

[sniper7]

Sniper, your view point is extremely sad. You obviously were never in a newspaper class. The newspaper is a great way to learn how to operate a newspaper in a very hands on setting. That includes fund raising.

You get the same amount of hands on in newspaper as you do in woodshop. Producing an article about a student's death is a pretty far cry from gossip. The opposite I'd say.

I wrote for my school newspaper for a few year. We had to fund it ourselves. The teacher was also the English teachers for all the grades. Some pretty disappointing view points in this thread. Very sad.

nope, I wasn't. and we didn't have woodshop either but I would have liked that class. all the paper did was print my picture in their articles for school sports.

I am sorry you don't like my viewpoint, but the school paper seems like an absolute waste of money to me. especially these days when everything is digital...all the paper junkies should just mass text each other or make a paper in email format. people could easily sign up for the email and get it if they want to. In the day and age of going green and saving the planet I think the school paper should be the first thing to go. because the only place those papers went when I was in school...straight in the trash.

[sniper7]

you sure they're high school and not professional?

This was a reference to show they are a waste of money. nothing is gained from the school paper. money is spent, paper is wasted, a teacher paid for a non-essential class where very few students are active in the class relative to the amount of students at the school.

Schools are vastly over budget. they waste a ton of money, and the school paper is one class that can be cut, affect few students and not many people will be in an uproar.
school transportation is one of the biggest costs. something needs to be done where parents pay extra if their kids ride the bus.
school sports are another, and most schools are having kids either do a fundraiser to pay the amount of having the parents pay a certain amount to help offset the cost.

everyone bitches and moans about the .gov spending too much money, schools wasting money etc etc...yet when someone says a class is worthless and should be cut, you guys jump in and want to save a worthless school paper....no wonder schools are broke.

class sizes are pushing 40 students in primary classes like english and math and science, teachers are being cut to save on the budget, but we should save the school paper? time to figure out some priorities and cut the pork.

[sniper7]

Classic, would read again. Goddamn journalists and story tellers being born to get into the giant and shitty media industry.

H.

so you enjoy listening to the BS on cnn, msnbc, cbs, nbc, cnbc and fox?

people are always on here talking about how shitty the news channels are, warping the truth to fit into their political profile for each station. Fox tells it one way, CNN tells it the other way.

What is your, irving and arz's reasoning for wanting to keep the paper around. what benefit does it provide on a educational level? what does it bring to the "entire school"? where does it fit into the school or districts plan to EDUCATE students...all of them, or at least a major percentage?

[Irving]

Just like wood shop, auto shop, and computer programming, the newspaper class taught a real life skill, completely hands on, for those who wanted to take the class. It doesn't matter that no one actually read the newspaper. No one looked at anyone's wood shop projects either. If you want to talk about an activity that costs a lot of money and brings almost zero return to students, we should talk about sports. How many students go pro and make a career from high school sports? Very, very few.

I didn't care about high school sports one bit, but I'd never say that they were worthless and shouldn't be allowed at school just because I didn't participate in them. That's the only point I was making.


Don't get me wrong that I'm some newspaper snob either, I got into the class on a fluke and didn't learn anything. I think I even lettered in newspaper. Not intentionally of course.