Detail strip? N.O.N.B.F.N.
If they have questions about matching numbers, we can meet at a chosen gunsmith, where they can pay for disassembly/reassembly, REGARDLESS of whether the sale is completed.
Not really an issue for me, as none of my guns were collector pieces prior to the horrible boating accident.
I would be happy to field strip the weapon at the time if sale, if notified in advance, or if we were meeting at my shop, where I could clean off the desk for such an operation.
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If I am serious about purchasing a weapon, I want to be fair to BOTH Sides.
I wouldn't want some jackass tearing my gun apart and then balking but I also dont want to buy someones broken monkeyed up basement-smith crap either.
"hey, I have this Gunsmith I want to look it over, Meet me there with it, he checks it over at my cost regardless and we can go from there."
I Have had a guy selling a "New in Box" Back out on that.
I can only guess he was FOS or his shit was broken or not as nearly as new as advertised.
I have never asked but would ask the owner to do the take down.
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Communications is the key. I was born an annal retentive person and I am aware it can be annoying having everything I expect spelled out either on the phone or in an email prior to a meeting, but it helps me avoid any misunderstandings later on down the road.
Guns are mechanical items and through regular use, there are parts that will need to be repaired or replaced. If I am buying a used gun, I expect to pay for a used gun. If I want NIB, I buy from a reputable dealer.
All of my guns are shooters. I am not a collector. Nothing I buy will be NIB for very long after I own it. If someone is buying from me, I will tell them how long I've owned it and how much I've shot it. If anything has been repaired or replaced, I will tell them that as well. So far things have gone pretty well and I really enjoy every FTF purchase/sale I've done through this board. Guess I'm just lucky.![]()
Sadly Cstone, everyone else is not as honest as you.
There are some jackholes in this world that will try to cover slide marks and holster wear with a Magic marker. They will try to sell you a busted CZ because they dont want to pay for the parts/repairs. A Broken whatever lever/sear/pin is a reason to sell it to a sucker for $50 more than they retail new because they are including their sweaty supertuck knockoff and then buy a new one.
I Dont use a trip to the smith as a bartering agent, This station testing is Go/No-Go. If it's anything less than advertised its a No-Go.
You pay, I pay but its going to a smith before I Say "I'll take it."
Once had a really nice Winchester Model 12 in 12 gauge. Got tired of it so got a table at a gun show and put her up for sale. Had a very decent price on it and had a lot of lookers but of course money was damn tight at that time. Had one "expert collector" extremely interested in the gun at my price. Said he'd take it if he could take it apart (didn't know if he was referring to like field stripping or detail). He got it broken down without any springs hitting the ceiling or pins rolling around on the floor. After reassembling it, said that it was a great gun, just what he was looking for but didn't have the money at the moment. He walked away quickly and shortly after, another fellow asked to check it over. In closely checking it, he indicated that there was a rather important piece (forget now just what it was) missing and the gun would not function without that missing piece. I knew that the "expert" swiped the missing piece because the Model 12 had been functioning perfectly for me prior to the gun show. NEVER AGAIN!! I have had people ask if they could strip certain guns and I have always told them, "sure, right after you pay for it and if there is something wrong with it, I'll refund your money". I hate thieves and liars.![]()
A field strip/function check is a perfectly acceptable method of verifying condition prior to the firearm changing hands.
If you are the purchaser ask the seller to strip it, especially if you are not familiar with the correct takedown procedure.
If you are the seller DO NOT allow the purchaser to strip it. Offer to strip it.
A quick fieldstrip/function check is a good CYA for both of you. For the purchaser they get a bit of piece of mind that they are getting a serviceable firearm and the seller KNOWS the firearm left his hands in serviceable condition. It also leaves the seller with concrete proof incase the purchaser comes back a couple days later bitching that you sold them a lemon.
Here's an offer I will extend to COAR15 members-if both parties are members here and you want a prepurchase/presale inspection-the both of you come to my shop and add to the Pepsi fund and I will be happy to give it a once over and function check in the presence of both.
You will have to complete your transaction away from my premises but I will be glad to give a look for you.
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I function check anything I buy. I allow function check on anything I sell. Quite frankly, if I can't dry fire it the seller is to stupid for me to buy from or the gun is a POS and I don't want it. If I have questions about the gun, I have requested field stripping to inspect the internals. If I dont have any questions from the function check, and the seller is trusted I have purchased without a field strip.
For me, it really depends on the type of gun as to just how much I look at before purchase. The only thing I give a crap about on a glock are the frame and slide. Nothing else is critical. A revolver, I check the cylinder to forcing cone gap, movement in the locked up cylinder, the crane and the barrel to frame assy, and basic trigger function. AR's, well I check more than a few things on them, but they are pretty easy to inspect for issues. I'm not pulling trigger Assy's or checking barrel nuts though... Something like the internals of an A5 shotgun, well, now you've hit 'crazy talk' levels.
I really do prefer to buy from people I know or from this site. I have a rifle with dead barrels on it from a gunshow 'learning experience' from years ago. Some day, it might get rebarreled.
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