Future Of Recreational Shooting In The Arapaho And Roosevel

[Hokie]

By the way OHV pays taxes/money as well in the form of required OHV stickers to use the land. These funds are continually misappropriated and not used for trail maintenance like they are supposed to be. You may find that OHV users would be a better ally in this fight than a foe.

[usa]

First, if my typing is bad, I am in Germany and using a German kezbord. Some of the keys are in different places so I may have a few extra typos.

Only non-licensed OHV users buy the sticker. So probably around half of the OHVs are Jeeps that don't pay a special tax. They pay road registration only. NExt, that is a state sticker, not a federal sticker. Firearms taxes are federal.

As far as OHV users being good allies, go check out the 4x4 pages. The OHV guys are the ones who want shooting out of lefthand canyon so it is for their private use. I have been saying for a while to these guys to be careful of what they ask for, because by getting users against one another, the greenies win. If you read posts by people in the CO OHV association, they are upset that the NRA has gotten involved with this issue because they wanted shooting banned in Left Hand. After they made a foe with lefthand, they now got an organiyation involved with a lot more money than they have.

Yes, the OHV people would be a good allie if they didn't mind sharing they NF use with hunters/shooters. However, they want the NF for OHV use.

BTW, I am not against wheelin and have even done that in lefthand (carnage) myself. I have also seen some very irresponsible shooting occuring in lefthand. However, if I am forced to pick sides, kick the wheelers out and leave shooting. My personal opinion is that the NF are public and all users must share the NF. No group should have exclusive rights (be it hikers, equestrians, yakers, shooters, ect). But if you want to make me choose side, I will.

-Dana

I agree with sharing and if I had to choose a side that would be a tough decision for me.

I see what you are saying about OHV's and the stickers and license plates. I was thinking more about dirt bikes and quads than jeeps etc...which is not the right way to think about it.

I am not very happy about COHVCO lining up against shooting in Lefthand, I will do my own research on that and if true, they will be hearing about that issue from me directly. I can certainly see why they would do that though, since the last time I helped with a clean up in lefthand (2005) 99.9% of all the refuse we pulled out of there was shooting debris. If you have any links to support that claim I would like to see them. (Not doubting your claim, but I need to see it myself before acting)

Thanks!

Tim

[Merl]

http://www.longmontfyi.com/region-story.asp?ID=8096

This bodes oh so well to the 'other' use of the area and the results of the current investigations.

[Hokie]

what a load of crap.

I expect COHVCO to be appealing that ruling ASAP.

Close the area with a "proposed" new are there is no money to build.

[DanaT]

Tim,

I don't think the CO OHV has officially lined up against shooting, but from what I can tell these posts made by some of the people in CO OHV. It even seems that YJ Girl is quite involved. When the members (especially more exectutive members) say things publically, then that can be taken as an attitude that the association takes.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showt...&highlight=NRA

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showt...&highlight=NRA


What I see, and have said often, is that if the greenies can, they will "divide and conquer". Keep in mind they want EVERYONE out (except for greenies who drive Subarus with Kayaks and mountain bikes on the top). Hmmmm....maybe we need to get rid of subies???? (jk).
-Dana

[Hokie]

Tim,

I don't think the CO OHV has officially lined up against shooting, but from what I can tell these posts made by some of the people in CO OHV. It even seems that YJ Girl is quite involved. When the members (especially more exectutive members) say things publically, then that can be taken as an attitude that the association takes.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showt...&highlight=NRA

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showt...&highlight=NRA


What I see, and have said often, is that if the greenies can, they will "divide and conquer". Keep in mind they want EVERYONE out (except for greenies who drive Subarus with Kayaks and mountain bikes on the top). Hmmmm....maybe we need to get rid of subies???? (jk).
-Dana

I saw those comments, it is irritating to say the least.