Thanks for the info. I also received a PM about Mark and gave him a call. Unfortunately Liberty is backed up until the end of summer but I am in no rush so I guess I have more time to research.

I would love a TL-30 rated safe as well but anything big enough is going to cost $7K minimum and probably weigh too much to sit in the house.

I am more worried about fire than theft. I had a 5000lb media safe out of a bank vault (4 hours media rating) where we used to live but it was too big to move. And it took up half the garage.

Still haven't decided if Liberty's fire ratings are as good or better than AMSEC.

I have come to the conclusion that you can't buy a large "gun safe" that is capable of actually stopping theft and preventing fire damage for less than $7-8K. That and quite a bit of luck.