New gun safe - which and why??

[beast556]

Another+1 for Sturdysafe. My next safe will be a sturdysafe. Thick steel and a fire blanket probly the best you are going to get before you get to TL rated safes.

[Storm]

I know this has been beat to death on most every board, maybe even on this one. But that doesn't mean I can't bring it up again.

Need a new safe. Need something big and as fireproof as I can get for a reasonable price (ie. can't afford Graffunder or Fort Knox in the size I need). Narrowed it down to:

AMSEC BF7250
- highly rated by most
- better fire protection than Liberty?? (this seems to be up for debate but they don't use drywall)
- lesser quality or featured interior? haven't seen one but looks to be the case
- not local??

http://www.gunsafes.com/American-Sec...tant-Safe.html

Liberty Presidential 50
- highly rated by some, just another inferior gun safe brand to others
- high fire protection rating that seems valid (but it is just drywall)
- high quality interior (relative to AMSEC) and love the door organizer
- locally available
- looks more like "fine furniture" which the wife likes

http://www.libertysafe.com/safe_presidential.php

Price on both comes out to be about the same, either mail ordering the AMSEC or buying the Liberty locally (RMSS in Ft.Co)..

So, which should I buy??

Also, are there any American Security dealers in northern CO? The "dealer lookup" on their webpage seems to direct you to locksmiths and the one I contacted worked on safes but didn't sell them..

Thanks for any opinions/advice/random comments!

I have an AmSec 7240 and it's a great safe. You can get recessed shelving in the door, if that's what you're looking for.

Here's my analysis between the AmSec and Liberty.
I like the 360 degree bolts on the door of the Liberty. Another plus is the ball bearing plate in the door to prevent drill attacks (last I checked they still did this on the higher end models).

On the AmSec it has 2 layers of steel with concrete insulation poured between. This, I think makes for better security against a wall attack.

When I was shopping for a safe, I wanted a Liberty, but it was recommended that I get an AmSec instead by the dealer. My vote would be for the AmSec.

If you want either locally, try Master Security in Denver/Arvada. I believe they still carry Liberty, and they do carry AmSec. They will install it for you. I'm not sure if you can get the price listed in the link for the AmSec as they usually go with MSRP, but ask if they will price match. They may do it for the business.

HTH,
Storm

P.S. Whatever you get, get it bolted to the floor. It'll make it a lot harder to carry away.

[ldmaster]

Is a stocking AMSEC dealer.

I have a Heritage, and a jewelers vault.

Construction wise they are all almost the same. 10 gauge steel walls? Sound thick, right?

Let's see ANSI... Ten gauge....0.1345 inches. About a 10th of an inch.

ALL of them use "10 gauge" sheet metal in the walls. An electric "nibbler" tool will shave that right away. All that being said, as my collection grew, so did my need for more interior space, so the shelves came out and the safe now looks like a gigantic stack of pistol boxes and rifles in sleeves.

Fire protection is drywall, "quad wall" fire protection is two layers of drywall (each side of the drywall is considered a surface/wall). All locks anymore are
S&G and are pretty durable.

For security I count on the alarm, and on my positioning of the safe. It's in a corner, the door opens away from the wall, it's bolted into the cement foundation and bolted through the walls to the studs beyond. on the exposed side of the safe is a gigantic immovable cabinet. It's a six foot safe, so it's close to the ceiling. If the alarm doesn't scare the bad guys off, then they're serious bad guys with LOTS of good tools for getting into a safe. Plasma torches are common, I have no illusions about my safe being "proof" against anything that is a serious attack. I'm counting on the loud siren and the police to get there.

That being said, safe companies come and go all the time, lifetime warrantee's are pretty meaningless. Make sure the lock mechanism is sound, and there's really nothing inside to break.

Spend all you want!!!

[rockhound]

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/pr...ductId=3385837

i like mine, course i got it for a much better price.

[michael_aos]

I'm looking at an AMSEC BF-series, from Colorado State Safe & Lock.

[Byte Stryke]

[claimbuster]

I have two Liberty's. Bought one from Dean's back 13-14 years ago and the second one about 3-4 years ago from RMSS. Been very happy with them.

[funkymonkey1111]

I spent about a year (my deployment) debating about which safe to get. I eventually decided on a Sturdy Safe (sturdysafe.com). It isn't all pretty on the inside like some with the fancy fabrics, but it is built extremely tough, and that's what sold me.

Has your sturdy safe given you any trouble? they are at the top of my list

[hatidua]

I've read conflicting things about fire ratings but one thing always sticks in my mind when I see aerial photos of burned out neighborhoods - there's nothing left. I have a really difficult time believing there was not a single gun safe amongst all those homes that burned down in that Waldo Canyon fire and yet I don't recall any photos of the lone gun safe standing amid the ashes...

[Rooskibar03]

Huge plus 1 for Mark and Liberty.

Great guy, excellent price, awesome service. I love my Liberty, just wish I'd gone bigger.

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Mark,
he will beat that terrible RMSS by a bunch. and delivery will still be cheaper. and he is a nice guy, not like the POSs at RMSS.

i am not actively selling my Liberty Franklin 50, but I would, just to buy at least a TL30 safe.