Bin laden dead

[lebru]

No, he hasn't personally led an assault against the US in quite a while. It's not about eliminating an immediate threat. The up close and personal death of OBL by US hands is a message both to our citizens and to those who mean to do harm against us that we are not a nation to fuck with, that we do not forget and we do not give up, and no matter where you are or how long it takes we can and will find you and kill you. And THAT is significant.

Right, fuck with the USA and you have about 10 years or more to hang out in a custom built mansion near the capital city of a country in the middle east before we find you. Meanwhile, we are going to spend a shitload of money and lives trying to find you at the same time, not accepting your surrender and continuing to fight in the wrong place. We are really efficient aren't we?

[mcantar18c]

Right, fuck with the USA and you have about 10 years or more to hang out in a custom built mansion near the capital city of a country in the middle east before we find you. Meanwhile, we are going to spend a shitload of money and lives trying to find you at the same time, not accepting your surrender and continuing to fight in the wrong place. We are really efficient aren't we?

When a country supposedly cooperative with us helps hide him, intentionally misleads us, and doesn't let our military in (officially anyway), it makes it a little tough to find the bastard.

And in response to that article...
What, you really think we should have accepted that deal? We don't negotiate with terrorists, period. And they'd keep on doing their crap had we taken it, that wouldn't have changed. Their deal was they'll tell us where bin Laden is if we stop bombing them and give them evidence that he was a BG.... oh man what a deal lol.

[Dirt Diver]

When a country supposedly cooperative with us helps hide him, intentionally misleads us, and doesn't let our military in (officially anyway), it makes it a little tough to find the bastard.

And in response to that article...
What, you really think we should have accepted that deal? We don't negotiate with terrorists, period. And they'd keep on doing their crap had we taken it, that wouldn't have changed. Their deal was they'll tell us where bin Laden is if we stop bombing them and give them evidence that he was a BG.... oh man what a deal lol.

Agreed.

[lebru]

When a country supposedly cooperative with us helps hide him, intentionally misleads us, and doesn't let our military in (officially anyway), it makes it a little tough to find the bastard.

And in response to that article...
What, you really think we should have accepted that deal? We don't negotiate with terrorists, period. And they'd keep on doing their crap had we taken it, that wouldn't have changed. Their deal was they'll tell us where bin Laden is if we stop bombing them and give them evidence that he was a BG.... oh man what a deal lol.

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

[TFOGGER]

I said it before: I'm glad he was neutralized. The taking of a life does no one honor(extra credit if you can name the movie quote). It was a necessary task, as are many others that will not receive anywhere near this level of attention from the average citizen. I'm not really convinced we're any safer after 2 TRILLION dollars have been spent in the "war on terror", but I thank and honor those that have served our country in it's name.

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[Elhuero]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

you have a very narrow minded and flawed understanding of foreign policy and economics.

[ChunkyMonkey]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

US have not had a terrorist attack since we draw the extremists into those hell holes. He IS the hero for most if not ALL SUNI and many shite muslim groups. Suni and Shite sects are strictly in the middle east. The largest muslim populations in the world are in the South East Asia (completely 2 different sects other than Suni or Shite). They have been using Osama to recruit the young and ignorants that not even the world strongest nation could beat Islam 1444. Well yesterday changes everything.

Do some more research!

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[tmckay2]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

well to those that lost loved ones on 9/11 it probably was. sure was to me and continues to be and always will be until we rid the world of every terrorist. the moment you start splitting hairs about whether your liberty and safety is worth this amount of money, or this amount of time, or this and that, is the moment you lose the battle. to them, its worth everything. if it isn't worth everything to us, we will sooner or later lose.

i can't believe the death of osama bin laden is honestly being debated as a good thing. i mean i literally cannot bring myself to believe it. imagine if it had been debated whether killing hitler was a good thing. imagine if people in ww2 said "aw shucks, it just isn't worth the time, money and blood". what kind of a world would we live in now? their safety and liberty was threatened, they sacked up and killed the bastards, and we are free today because of it. sure, you kill one evil and another will pop up. its inevitable. but we can't give up or get lazy. if we do, our children's and grandchildren's lives may be drastically different, and far worse, than ours. its been the responsibility of every generation to protect the future for the next generation and allow them to continue the way of life that their ancestors always provided for them. ill be damned if i'm going to take part in being the generation that loses its backbone and screws it up for everyone else.

[mcantar18c]

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country, two wars, billions of dollars, over 5000 killed or crticially woundeed, and the utter destruction of our economic stability? Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop, he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia. He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups. Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect, which is why they were going to turn him over.

OK I'm just gonna go through this point by point, make it as clear as possible for ya....

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting

Yes. I ask you to look through the history books, and please if you can, show me an event where our country saw a greater loss of innocent (civilian) life on American soil at the hands of an enemy (or anything other than a force of nature). 9/11 was the biggest tragedy in terms of loss of life and attempted destabilization that this nation has ever seen. If it had taken 50 years of fighting to serve justice to those responsible, it would be worth it.

So it was worth the ten years of pointless fighting in the wrong country

The wrong country? What on God's green Earth makes you think we've been in the wrong country?
Sure, we found OBL in Pakistan (we have been operating in there for quite some time, BTW, so moot point), but guess what? Killing OBL was only one goal in the Global War on Terror. These people HATE us and will attack us no matter what, be it on our soil or theirs. We're simply taking the fight to them so they don't have a chance to bring it back to our shores, and as far as I'm concerned we're doing a pretty damn goo job of it... have we had a [successful] major attack on US soil since 2001? Nope.
And if you're getting at the idea that we should be in Pakistan instead of Afghanistan cause that's were OBL was hiding, you should really do your homework on the dynamic there. The Af-Pak border is nonexistent, and in fact sociologically speaking those two countries do not border each other at all... there is an unofficial entity, Pashtunistan, separating them, and THAT is where most of this is happening.

two wars

If you're referring to Iraq and Afghanistan, you REALLY need to do more of your own research and less listening to the MSM. Iraq is an entirely different conflict, with different motives and different goals.
Iraq: Saddam Hussein was leading a genocide against the Kurds and becoming more of a threat to our national security every day. UN wasn't doing anything, no surprise there. So we go in, dissolve his regime, and capture him. Mission accomplished. Then insurgents popped up to fill the power vacuum. So we work to squash the insurgency while building a legit infrastructure so that we don't end up with another oppressive regime in 10 years. That's a bit of a work in progress.
Afghanistan: "Lets kill us some terrorists. Oh look, they've got deep roots in Afghanistan and Pakistan, lets put our troops there. Oh shit Pak is on our friends list and they say no troops. Ok lets put them in Afghan then." And that's about the gist of it. Had al-Qaeda and the Taliban been operating heavily out of Scottland, or Canada, we'd be fighting there right now instead.

billions of dollars

Iraq: $780 billion.
Afghanistan: $401 billion.
Total: a little over $1 trillion ($1 trillion 180 billion)

US national debt, 2008: $9.6 trillion.
US national debt, 2011: $14.7 trillion.
Difference: $4.1 trillion.

Conclusion: Wars in Iraq and Afganistan are not what we should be looking at with financial concerns.

over 5000 killed or critically wounded

Loss of life and limb is an unfortunate, but obvious and unavoidable byproduct of war. People talk about losing 5000 soldiers in the recent conflicts... personally, I'm thankful — that number is incredibly low given that we've been fighting for almost a decade in multiple countries. More people die in car accidents every-single-year in the US; yes that's right driving on I25 is more hazardous to your health then being shipped to Iraq.

utter destruction of our economic stability

Lets go back to those history books. War is profitable. War stimulates economy, creates jobs, etc. WWII is what brought us out of the Great Depression. Our economy is in the shitter for a number of reasons, but war is not one of them.

Bin laden dead doesn't mean all terrorism suddenly comes to a stop

As I've already said responding to your last post, that was not the goal.

he actually led a pretty small group compared to the ones in sotuh east asia.

al-Qaeda is, or was, one of the largest and most well connected terrorist groups in the world, operating out of Iraq, Afghanistan/Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Southeast Asia, Central America, just to name a few. Oh, yeah, and the other groups didn't fly planes into our trade centers. Don't worry though, the other's will get their's when the time comes.

He wasn't even really a hero for most muslim extremist groups

Right. They have his face printed on every newspaper and magazine over there, praising him and calling him their martyr, beloved leader, etc. because he didn't really have all that big of an influence.
OBL was a major player leading the mujahideen resistance against the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. Mujahideen —> Taliban (kind of). After the USSR invasion he formed al-Qauda, then we went in and OBL fought to protect the people once more from the evil invaders. He was their hero, and his influence stretches across the world.
Taking him out is one of the most significant accomplishments this country will make in our lifetime.

Most of the people we fight in afghanistan aren't even part of his sect

I have no response to this, other than:

which is why they were going to turn him over.

You can't possibly believe they were actually going to turn him over. That would have gone something like
"OK Taliban we stopped bombing you guys, and we gave you clear evidence that OBL is a bad guy, now tell us where he is"
"We don't think that's very good evidence, but fine. He's over on grid square __, third cave on the left"
*US goes and checks third cave on the left*
"Hey asshats he wasn't there. You lied"
"No we didn't, we swear that's the last place we knew he was. He runs with al-Qaeda now, how do we know where he is?"
And then we're back at square 1.