Delphi, sometimes I think talking to you is just a bunch of This is a gun oriented site, not the real world. If someone from the real world had said what you've posted, I'm sure it would have been debated. You're here and stated you like guns, want more of them, so when you (an informed gun friend) spout off some liberal type speak, it's going to get a different reaction then in the real world. I know that I for one can do more then hold my own in a gun arguement, and I'm only 37. I know many of the members here are older and wiser then I, so I'm sure they can hold their own also. Since this is the internet and I've never met you, I'll assume you told the truth about being 19. In that case I've been shooting guns and talking guns for longer then you've been alive, so in turn have many of the others here. If you want to have a healthy gun debate thread, start it upfront, don't play devil's advocate. It wouldn't hurt any to have a thread like that. It's just better without the pretenses.