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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffCyclist View Post
    Oh yea, this was just a friend's Shield we were borrowing for the day, gotta return it tomorrow. He swears by them, but says they're only defensive sights and even he can never get decent groups (which in my opinion, makes practicing hard).

    Mrs BC liked the Trijicon HD Orange night sights on my M&P40c, so we may end up getting her those (she liked the idea of night sights), but will start with the pistol and a holster.

    Hes probably talking about 'defensive' distances: 7 yards and closer. I had a set of those on a G39. They worked well in that application. Target sights they are not.
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    If you can't shoot decent groups at the range, you're never going to be able to do it under pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBelly View Post
    Hes probably talking about 'defensive' distances: 7 yards and closer. I had a set of those on a G39. They worked well in that application. Target sights they are not.
    Yup, exactly what he talked about. And I agree, they work well for getting on paper. However, I'm more likely to practice with a given pistol if I can shoot it at the range and get good groups. If not, the "meh why bother" mentality sets in because you can always get them on paper. Not that I would actually advocate that, just saying I don't see the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    If you can't shoot decent groups at the range, you're never going to be able to do it under pressure.
    Exactly, and less likely to practice with it. What's the fun in shooting a pistol and not trying to get small groups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    If you can't shoot decent groups at the range, you're never going to be able to do it under pressure.
    Whats the definition of 'decent'?

    if I can hit a 5" paper plate that is posted over the high thoracic area of a human sized silhouette, then I think it'll be ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBelly View Post
    Whats the definition of 'decent'?

    if I can hit a 5" paper plate that is posted over the high thoracic area of a human sized silhouette, then I think it'll be ok.
    Yup, she'd aim at the head and hit 10" low sometimes. Started aiming lower on the target and then it'd hit high for some reason. I thought she was shooting it weird, tried it and had the same problems.

    We then shot my M&P40c for a while and she was getting 1" groups (just off of a 2" orange sticky dot) with each mag at 10yds. I was impressed. Until I nailed the center of it on the first try

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffCyclist View Post
    Exactly, and less likely to practice with it. What's the fun in shooting a pistol and not trying to get small groups?
    Its a tool that can save your life by (possibly) ending someone else's.

    anyone that's scored me at a ipsc shoot will know that I ask only two questions:

    1) did I hit all the bad guys?

    2) did I shoot any hostages?

    i REALLY beat myself up about those two questions.
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    Don't get me wrong, they were always dead on horizontally but it was definitely vertically challenged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffCyclist View Post
    Yup, she'd aim at the head and hit 10" low sometimes. Started aiming lower on the target and then it'd hit high for some reason. I thought she was shooting it weird, tried it and had the same problems.

    We then shot my M&P40c for a while and she was getting 1" groups (just off of a 2" orange sticky dot) with each mag at 10yds. I was impressed. Until I nailed the center of it on the first try

    Is this same gun the one you're going to buy?
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    Installing gable vents on the house tomorrow. Hope I don't run into any problems.

    Then again, I get to play with a reciprocating saw, what could go wrong?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBelly View Post
    Is this same gun the one you're going to buy?
    Nope, he isn't selling it, just let her borrow it for the day to take to the range and see if she likes the platform. We'll buy new because no one locally has them for under $500. Yes. That LGS that has everything marked up has them for just over $500. At least, last I checked.