Obama Immigration Speech

[Pancho Villa]

SO PANCHO, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU GET TO USE SOME POOR ILLEGAL FOR CHEAP LABOR SO YOU GET TO TAKE HOME A FEW MORE BUCKS CAUSE YOU AREN'T PAYING FOR WORKMAN'S COMP OR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE OR FEDERAL WITHHOLDING FOR HIM, WHICH COMBINED USED TO COST MY COMPANY (WHICH I BUSTED MY ASS TO OPERATE) MORE THAN 73 CENTS FOR EVERY DOLLAR I PAID MY EMPLOYEES.

WHAT EXACTLY IS THE BENEFIT TO HAVING 30 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS? THERE ARE NONE AND YOU KNOW IT.


I say sentry guns and US Marines could seal our southern border in a hurry.

higher economic growth - cheap labor spurs economic growth, as anyone with some basics in economics would be able to tell you.

Example: Employer A saves $5,000 a year due to cheap labor, that $5,000 is able to be reinvested into business growth. Multiply that by 10 laborers and you suddenly have the money to hire a higher-level manager, accountant, secretary, real estate agent, whatever. That makes your business more productive - when a businessman pays a guy $50,000, he expects that the guy will MAKE way more than $50,000 in profit for him, or contribute to additional profit. A secretary frees the boss up to fine tune the business; a manager increases worker efficiency; a specialist does his job better than it was being done before, saving money or bringing in more business. So that $50,000 saved doesn't just create a higher-skilled job; it ends up making the businessman more than $50,000 in additional profits.

The economic impact of cheap labor (which is what a lot of illegal immigrants are - about 50% for sure, the other 50% being a mix between higher-skilled labor and recently graduated students who have overstayed their visas, and lower-skilled labor that has overstayed their visas, with an emphasis on the higher-skilled labor) is well documented by any free-market economist - and its tremendous. Studies by anti-immigrant, environmentalist places like the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) ignore this impact on purpose, because their agenda is have a moratorium on immigration in America period, the agrument being that we are "using up our precious natural resources and ruining the environment."

You remember how the minimum wage stifles growth and raises unemployment? Republicans used to fight against minimum wage raises every time the dems tried to get them through.

ANY artificial floor on wages - such as artificially shrinking the labor market through draconian immigration laws - does that. There's a reason Arizona, a VERY business-friendly state, has been the hardest hit in the recession - their are driving away one of the crucial agents of economic growth, cheap labor, and a combination of a lot of jobs lost in higher-skilled jobs and unemployment insurance is keeping the wage floor artifically high, stifling the kind of labor market that would really help jumpstart the economy.

Contrast with some of the states least hard hit by the great recession - like Texas - where the business community is VERY vocal about the value of illegal immigrant labor. The recession has hit Texas least hard, and its consistently ranking as one of the best plaaces to do business, and its job market - including higher-skilled labor - is better than almost anywhere in the country.

The facts speak for themselves. You cannot hide from the laws of economics, and they state quite simply that lots of immigrant labor is a crucial component to fast economic recovery.

Also, capslock key, bro. You might want to try turning it off a little more.

It appears that Pancho's nuts have retreated back to their cave. Can I say that? To me at least, Rockhounds points are indisputable. But I still go back to my original point. It is all talk because there will be no action in this direction, since none of our fearless leaders have the balls to tackle the problem.

Or maybe I have a job, a wife and a kid on the way, and can't spend all day on co-ar15.com. Rockhound's points aren't indisputable, they are just the same old rhetoric that has 0 backing from real life.

But I'm sure it feels good to get angry.

I do think the system needs updating to make it easier for good HARDWORKING people to come here.

This is my main point. Its pretty easy to craft such a system and it will prevent the many real problems (property damage along the border and overloading courts with nonviolent illegals whose great big crime was picking fruiting) that the current system has, provide labor that will spur economic growth and not cost billions of dollars on a yearly basis to militarize the border, while freeing up resources to go after actual bad guys (drug dealers, terrorists and the like.)

In the meantime, though, I'm still having a hard time getting bad at the guy who crossed the border to work hard and stay quiet.

We also need to tighten up the entitlement programs and make it equally as hard to get a free check, food, housing, healthcare, childcare etc etc.

Those alone would save this country and I bet we could pay off our debt in 10 years.

Actually, no. If we cut social security, medicare, and medicaid entirely, AND cut military spending in half, we'd be on track to pay off the debt in about 20 years.

People who claim that the budget can be balanced and the debt paid off by getting rid of waste or tightening up the requirements to collect unemployment or food stamps or whatever, need to grab their brains and look at the actual numbers.

If you have children in the public schools systems, take this example as my wife does it every day, I subbed for her one day and got to take it in first hand: children of illegal immigrants (anchor babies). she has 2 in her class. both mostly speak spanish, read english at a 1st grade level while they are in 7th grade. she is FORCED BY LAW to read them any test they have to take. I gave a test and had to read it to them. She also has to read articles and other readings to them BY LAW. So your kids that are in her class (while your property taxes and levys are paying for the schools, materials, bussing, salaries, janitors etc etc) are getting that one on one time taken away from them thanks to illegals. Your kids are not getting the teaching they deserve and you are paying for because BY LAW teachers have to do this kind of absolute BULLSHIT.

I don't want to be paying for that. Or your kid's schooling - in english. This wouldn't be a problem if the government wasn't in the business of redistributing income and forcing me to pay for your (and Jose's) kids' education.

Again, these are problems inherent in the welfare state. I also don't want my kids taught most of the bullshit in public schools, in fact, I don't want ANY kid taught the bullshit they peddle in public schools - yet I am forced to fund it all. This isn't something that's a problem with illegals. Get rid of the illegals, and we're still forced to pay for kids to be brainwashed by PC, multiculturalist bullshit.

Fight the right fight.

Also:

fuck anyone who thinks they should be given ANYTHING I work for. I want to see armed patrols on the border shooting anyone illegal taking a step in this country. I don't give a shit what race color religion. They are breaking the law, they continue to break the law, they bring in drugs, disease, rape, pillage, murder, steal, and take advantage of our country and our citizens.

This is some crazy fantasy, but given your thoughts on the budget, I'm not surprised that your politics come from imagination land.

I am sure BHO is full of talk though, his speech was good, and he really gets on my nerves, but I think he all talk.

I'm not holding my breath.

So you employ illegals and are an Obama voter. Interesting.

You are what is wrong with this country.

So its your position that McCain wouldn't have also pushed coverage for preexisting conditions (which he has supported,) tons of foreign aid (which he has supported,) more bailouts (which he has supported,) and basically everything that's made BHO's presidency a massive failure, except he'll be shouting "free markets! liberty!" the whole time?

That was my judgment of the scene at the time. If you disagree, that's fine, but don't go pretending I'm some Obama lover.

Let me be clear: I'm not okay with illegals coming here and sucking up welfare, but there has been none - zero - credible studies that show that this is going on at a significant rate. And it would be easy as pie to let in all the cheap (and skilled) labor that wants in with safeguards against just that. It would also make border enforcement against the real bad guys that people are legitimately afraid of - murderers, terrorists, drug dealers, whatever - a lot easier. But the GOP isn't serious about that, because its a nice issue to fire up the base.

The Dems aren't either, by the way. But that doesn't make the GOP's position on this permissible.