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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    Context; When I hired day laborers in Dallas, I am sure I also hired some illegals among them. I'm not currently employing anyone here in Colorado. I never checked immigration status on any employee because it wasn't the law in Texas at the time (and it was day labor, anyway.)

    It would be nice if people actually remember what I said instead of going off the deep end, but hey, what can I expect?

    Anyway - if you disagree with basic economics, you disagree with basic economics. You'll ruin the economy - but I'm sure you'll feel very righteous doing it. Have fun with that.
    It's clear to me that you are not arguing on 'open borders' for illegal rights at all. You are taking advantages of the illegals for the low wages for your own version of 'economic growth.' Backtrack all you want, they are all here for everyone to read. Sick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post
    Context; When I hired day laborers in Dallas, I am sure I also hired some illegals among them. I'm not currently employing anyone here in Colorado. I never checked immigration status on any employee because it wasn't the law in Texas at the time (and it was day labor, anyway.)

    It would be nice if people actually remember what I said instead of going off the deep end, but hey, what can I expect?

    Anyway - if you disagree with basic economics, you disagree with basic economics. You'll ruin the economy - but I'm sure you'll feel very righteous doing it. Have fun with that.
    The job of a business is to make money and work within a given ruleset. You did that in Dallas, that's why you may have hired illegals. I have a better understanding of this now than before when I read that post you made many moons ago.

    While I may wish business was more diligent in checking the status of folks, if the ruleset doesn't include a check than I cannot very well expect a business to conduct that check voluntarily.

    It is unfortunate that business needs the government to tell them to check the status of folks but that is the environment we live in now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MB888 View Post
    It's clear to me that you are not arguing on 'open borders' for illegal rights at all. You are taking advantages of the illegals for the low wages for your own version of 'economic growth.' Backtrack all you want, they are all here for everyone to read. Sick!
    Hey, I get it. You're a socialist. You want a "fair wage" (which means whatever wage makes you feel good.) You want the govt to step in and make sure the stupid peons out there are taken care of by big brother.

    I deal with adults, not kids. And I have enough respect for human beings that I don't think they need to be protected from me offering them a job by the govt.

    But there will always be guys who think some people deserve a free ride. You're one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by roberth
    The job of a business is to make money and work within a given ruleset. You did that in Dallas, that's why you may have hired illegals. I have a better understanding of this now than before when I read that post you made many moons ago.

    While I may wish business was more diligent in checking the status of folks, if the ruleset doesn't include a check than I cannot very well expect a business to conduct that check voluntarily.

    It is unfortunate that business needs the government to tell them to check the status of folks but that is the environment we live in now.
    Its unfortunate that some people feel the need to tell me who I can and cannot hire, based on where their momma plopped them out. Its especially sad that these same people complain about the govt telling them what to do.

    I know a lot of people want the government to step in and protect them from competition, but the true story is that you won't be.

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    Can any one tell me why we still have state sanctioned racial discrimination against white males via Affirmative Action ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpstart View Post
    Can any one tell me why we still have state sanctioned racial discrimination against white males via Affirmative Action ?
    Well, a little off-topic, but its because the state is full of shit. It was a bad idea to begin with and is even dumber today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post

    Its unfortunate that some people feel the need to tell me who I can and cannot hire, based on where their momma plopped them out. Its especially sad that these same people complain about the govt telling them what to do.
    You opened that door in this forum so you'll have to ride that out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pancho Villa View Post

    I know a lot of people want the government to step in and protect them from competition, but the true story is that you won't be.
    Those people don't have a complete understanding of capitalism and our constitutional republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Altitude View Post

    We need to treat the illegal immigrants like the criminals they are.

    I agree, but instead our president is doing everything possible to encourage illegal immigration. From his crucifixion of Arizona while kissing president Calderon's ass to his order's to the Border Patrol to stop arresting illegals to give the illusion that the border is "as secure as it's been in twenty years".

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    My problem isnt with hispanics coming to this country per say, its the other problems, like a lack of regard for our laws, learning the spoken language, expense on the country, and a lack of respect for the country itself. Some of the problems are isolated, but at the same time, I dont see other hispanics demanding that they stop their actions. One case in point, the hispanics who were flying their flag(mexican perhaps?) on a flagpole outside of their bar inside the USA. Problem was, they showed a blatant disregard to the country, and an old law and tradition, by flying it ABOVE the US flag. If the old country was so good, why did they come here? Next problem is, in years past, how often was tests, road signs, etc written in italian, russian, german, or any other language but english, because we had immigrants from those countries? The immigrants learned what we spoke here, or made every attempt, and adopted their new homeland. Next issue, how many have been hit in their car by an uninsured illegal, leaving you, or our insirance companies stuck with the bill? We have immigrants here who havent made an attempt to learn our language, yet we should bend to their problem. Last I checked, they came here by choice, if they cant or wont learn english, they dont have plans to be very productive here.
    Any immigrant who wants to come here, is more then invited in my opinion, with a catch. They need to come here with the plan of being productive, not using our ERs for every ailment, leaving us with the bill, not leaching off our welfare system, or disability system, as we have plenty in need of it now, and plenty mooching on it already, in other words work to support all the kids they have. They need to learn the language we all speak and read. They need to obey our laws. They need to adopt our ways. They may bring their own customs as well, but ours take priority, as it is OUR country. They made the choice to come here, they can learn to live here, or go back home and try to change their country. Dont come here and expect to use our political system to change ours.

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    Not to knock anyone........... Or to disagree with their statements or opinions...


    How exactly does healthcare work in mexico/ other countries "south of the border"?

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    [quote=Pancho Villa;353126]FAIR was started by John Tanton, the same guy who started the Center for Immigration Studies.

    Tanton is a radical environmentalist, who was on the board for the Sierra Club pushing population control, is a believer in the "population bomb" bullshit.

    He got into immigration control for that reason, and that viewpoint colors the organization to this day.


    Notice how FAIR/CIS never goes into studiesabout what taxes (sales, property and income) that illegals pay, nor the economic impact of the cheaper labor? Theres a reason for tha. Here's some actual economists and not a bunch of environmentalists WHACKOS talking about immigration:

    http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/...migration.html
    http://select.nytimes.com/preview/20...014296476.html
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee...01/immigration

    Contrast that with free-market economists - who overwhelmingly favor immigration and will tell you all day the ways in which they are a great benefit.


    so instead of refuting the fact in the article you just call the study racist,

    whatever, i have lived it, i have competed with companies that hire illegals and i know the impact they have,



    just for the fact that you are pulling the race card, which this has nothing to do with, here is the report from 2007 from the congressional budget office. concerning the costs of illegal immigration especially as it relates to the individual states

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8...mmigration.pdf

    or are they being racist also??????
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