Originally Posted by clublights
you pay up front and the doctor treats you.
you don't pay, they let you die.
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you pay up front and the doctor treats you.
you don't pay, they let you die.
Not saying your wrong .........
but
Really?
i thought they just stole your kidneys or liver and then let you die
Self control: The minds ability to override the body's urge to beat the living sh.. out of some ass.... who desperately deserves it.
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
Obama, so full of crap it is a miracle Air Force One can even get off the ground,
yup.
go on vacation to cabo, get appendicitis, go to hospital, you pay up front.
i thought they just stole your kidneys or liver and then let you die
Is that for "foreigners" only or the locals the same ?
Nephew, Niece and Brother in law were in Cancun in '05 and the nephew had a seizure while horseassing in the surf. The Niece was able to get him out and get him breathing and back but he got carted off to the hospital.
Luckily he was OK and all turned out well although we found out he has a slight case of epilepsy.
We had to wire the BIL $2000.00 before they would release the nephew from the hospital. Mexican hospitals are cash and carry..
To top it off 2 days later Cancun got clobbered by Hurricane Wilma.
The vacation from hell.
Back OT- who does BO think he is kidding with his bullshit?
The most important thing to be learned from those who demand "Equality For All" is that all are not equal...
Gun Control - seeking a Hardware solution for a Software problem...
Man, "my business failed because of illegal immigrants," that's the ultimate buck-passing.
Also, you want to put the name in quotation marks when you quote, or its just a jumble of text. quote="PanchoVilla" next time.
Sigh...from this link:
"Recent estimates indicate that annual costs for unauthorized immigrants in Colorado were between $217 million and $225 million for education, Medicaid, and corrections. By comparison, taxes collected from unauthorized immigrants at both the state and local levels amounted to an estimated $159 million to $194 million annually."
Hey! Look at that huge gap of between 23-65 million bucks! Isn't that huge?
According to here: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/#usgs302a
The Colorado state and local governments spend about $43 billion in a year, meaning that the worst-case scenario is an income:expenditure gap of 0.15% of the total budget. On the lower end of the estimates scale we have a mighty 0.05%. I'd daresay if you look at certain neighborhoods in Colorado filled with natural-born Americans you would find a much larger discrepancy.
This is just in dollars in / out, and doesn't take into account the well-documented positive effect on economic growth that additional (cheaper) labor has on an economy. Given that, the net effect of the illegals (through additional business tax revenues due to higher profits) is almost certainly positive.
Also, can I say this? I find it ironic that you get up in arms over a fake $65 million budget gap in illegals, to the point of saying we need to round up and deport (or just shoot) them, yet the level of rhetoric for, say, the $3.2 BILLION dollars state and local governments in Colorado expended on welfare programs in 2009 is decidedly lower. Welfare is pretty much a guaranteed loss; the whole point is that the people don't have the money and so are probably not paying taxes. Should we kill or ship them to siberia?
I don't want to pay for your kid's education, whether you were born in Denver or Chihuahua. I don't want to pay you handouts for not working, or food stamps or subsidized housing - whether you were born in Aurora or Mexico City. So I will agitate on reducing and eliminating THOSE programs, as I don't want illegals OR legals OR natural born citizens to be stealing money from me.
Also, I played "the race card" because I thought you might find it interesting that FAIR and CIS (and NumbersUSA as well) were founded by / heavily associated with a guy who not only has shady ties to white supremacists, but also is an unabashed ENVIRONMENTALIST. You know, the guys who want to tax having kids and subsidize abortions to keep the population level down? That kind of environmentalist. I hope you can see why I don't feel the need to go digging through a document put out by trash like that. At best the data is slanted; at worst, environmentalists have been known to make shit up on occasion.
I guess that only applies to global warming, though.
Might be also worth noting, organizations such as the NAACP, and at least hispanic advocacy group is racist as heck. They keep the fire going, because if we all got along, there would be no need for them. I just ignore such groups for that reason. Fact is, I get tired of people thinking I should know spanish to conduct daily business.
I don't know about "Stealing" money, but as the laws of this nation have set aside taxed funds for some social programs, its not an optional thing...
Yeah, I know we dont get to be selective with what we get and what we give and to whom ... I Don't like all of the laws either, but we abide by them instead of claiming they are racist or prejudice and then openly violating them.
Be it Immigration Laws, Tax laws or firearms laws... we follow the laws set forth or we move to have them changed. you want tax laws and social assistance laws changed? Rock on, call your congressman. In the meantime, pony up like the rest of us.
Disregarding them is not an option.
Pancho, your idea that cheap labor is better for companies is ridiculous. That will bring the country down as a whole. wages need to be livable.
and by livable, I mean I want to be able to afford the present day and future markets. cutting wages while the price of everything else goes up is going to bring everyone down. I don't want to live like they do with multiple families in a home. That is what their low wages allow them to afford. If that is what you want, please, by all means move in to a trailer with them and let me know how it goes for you.
The companies that hire these people put good companies out of work. The companies who are doing it right can't compete. They are the ones doing it right, they are paying their taxes, paying into the system that the illegal employees of the other company are taking advantage of. The illegals get to double dip while everyone else gets fucked. the illegals have enough cash to pay for their necessities and still send money back home. They also cost us more for insurance, make us wait longer lines, create more crime, cluster up the school system. the list goes on yet you want to tell me they are good for the country. YOU are the one living in a fantasy land.
There are already enough people that can't afford their homes, their health, get a job. Oh, and did i mention that those people are here legally? yeah your illegal buddies you love so much are fucking the rest of the citizens who need jobs. and not only them, but those who employ them. Both need to be punished....excessively.
Apparently this isn't as much of an immigration issue as it is a job issue.
Unemployment is at 9.0% right now:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...mployment-rate
number if illegal immigrants in US...guessed of course:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38961638...-us-declining/
The study puts the number of illegal immigrants down to about where it was in 2005. They still make up roughly 4 percent of the U.S. population.
4%. even if 1% of those illegals were unemployed or had jobs unattainable by present day out of work citizens, the unemployment rate would still go down 3%. 6 % unemployment rate is high, but it wouldn't be horrible given todays current world economy. over 10,000,000 illegals are here in the country and that is a low estimate.
10,000,000 jobs out there. hmmmm...that is the BEST job creation that has probably EVER been available to the US.
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