Quote Originally Posted by rockhound View Post
so instead of refuting the fact in the article you just call the study racist,

whatever, i have lived it, i have competed with companies that hire illegals and i know the impact they have,
Man, "my business failed because of illegal immigrants," that's the ultimate buck-passing.

Also, you want to put the name in quotation marks when you quote, or its just a jumble of text. quote="PanchoVilla" next time.



Quote Originally Posted by rockhound
just for the fact that you are pulling the race card, which this has nothing to do with, here is the report from 2007 from the congressional budget office. concerning the costs of illegal immigration especially as it relates to the individual states

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8...mmigration.pdf

or are they being racist also??????
Sigh...from this link:

"Recent estimates indicate that annual costs for unauthorized immigrants in Colorado were between $217 million and $225 million for education, Medicaid, and corrections. By comparison, taxes collected from unauthorized immigrants at both the state and local levels amounted to an estimated $159 million to $194 million annually."

Hey! Look at that huge gap of between 23-65 million bucks! Isn't that huge?

According to here: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/#usgs302a

The Colorado state and local governments spend about $43 billion in a year, meaning that the worst-case scenario is an income:expenditure gap of 0.15% of the total budget. On the lower end of the estimates scale we have a mighty 0.05%. I'd daresay if you look at certain neighborhoods in Colorado filled with natural-born Americans you would find a much larger discrepancy.

This is just in dollars in / out, and doesn't take into account the well-documented positive effect on economic growth that additional (cheaper) labor has on an economy. Given that, the net effect of the illegals (through additional business tax revenues due to higher profits) is almost certainly positive.

Also, can I say this? I find it ironic that you get up in arms over a fake $65 million budget gap in illegals, to the point of saying we need to round up and deport (or just shoot) them, yet the level of rhetoric for, say, the $3.2 BILLION dollars state and local governments in Colorado expended on welfare programs in 2009 is decidedly lower. Welfare is pretty much a guaranteed loss; the whole point is that the people don't have the money and so are probably not paying taxes. Should we kill or ship them to siberia?

I don't want to pay for your kid's education, whether you were born in Denver or Chihuahua. I don't want to pay you handouts for not working, or food stamps or subsidized housing - whether you were born in Aurora or Mexico City. So I will agitate on reducing and eliminating THOSE programs, as I don't want illegals OR legals OR natural born citizens to be stealing money from me.

Also, I played "the race card" because I thought you might find it interesting that FAIR and CIS (and NumbersUSA as well) were founded by / heavily associated with a guy who not only has shady ties to white supremacists, but also is an unabashed ENVIRONMENTALIST. You know, the guys who want to tax having kids and subsidize abortions to keep the population level down? That kind of environmentalist. I hope you can see why I don't feel the need to go digging through a document put out by trash like that. At best the data is slanted; at worst, environmentalists have been known to make shit up on occasion.

I guess that only applies to global warming, though.