Hear someone coming into your house, grab your rifle, get shot 71 times - CLOSED

[TFOGGER]

Missing a lot of info:

71 rounds fired, all by police, how many hit, and what hazard did the misses present?

Why in the HELL was SWAT serving a search warrant in a residential neighborhood, with his wife and kid in the house?

You know that at least one of the SWAT officers was wired for video and sound (SOP these days). If this was a clean shoot, why aren't they parading the video around?

What was the basis for the warrant, and what were the fruits of the search?

Why was medical aid withheld for more than 40 minutes? Isn't it SOP to have an ambulance/paramedics standing by on a dynamic entry, in the event that one of the COPS gets shot?

Not knowing what the intel on which the warrant was based, I can't make a judgement about the validity of the tactics, but it sure sounds like they screwed the pooch in terms of preparation. If the SWAT team was reasonable to serve this warrant, then it makes sense to me that they would have had EMS on scene before making entry.

[Mtn.man]

Did you catch the vics name?

Sounds like a case of mistaken id, wrong house, bad intel, scared cop, etc.

[275RLTW]

Not enough information to make a judgement either way.

Missing a lot of info:


Why in the HELL was SWAT serving a search warrant in a residential neighborhood, with his wife and kid in the house? Based upon Pima County's Risk Assessment Matrix

You know that at least one of the SWAT officers was wired for video and sound (SOP these days). If this was a clean shoot, why aren't they parading the video around? Is it THEIR (Pima County's) SOP? Not all agencies have funds for that. Wasn't Pima County asking for funds last year?

What was the basis for the warrant, and what were the fruits of the search? Basis stated in article (narco investigation)

Why was medical aid withheld for more than 40 minutes? Isn't it SOP to have an ambulance/paramedics standing by on a dynamic entry, in the event that one of the COPS gets shot? Medics don't enter until the entire house is cleared.... it can take 5 guys an hour to clear a house, especially one guy to deal with each person in the house (even to watch the injured owner).


Not knowing what the intel on which the warrant was based, I can't make a judgement about the validity of the tactics, but it sure sounds like they screwed the pooch in terms of preparation. If the SWAT team was reasonable to serve this warrant, then it makes sense to me that they would have had EMS on scene before making entry.

[2008f450]

Smells bad from here.IF they found anything they would have dragged it out and made a huge thing about it. I think they made assumtions based on the mans work habits or name.

[Tor Larson]

Cops said victim said "I've got something for you" before they ventilated him-sounds a bit, fake.

Don't care how much money they pay out for damages...those officers need to be punished if they fucked up- serve time, lose pensions, etc. Guy died, money won't bring him back. If they didn't screw the pooch, better look into their SOP. That's a lot of rounds. Most hits I ever saw on a pt. the cops took out and I got to work on-4. Ouch.

[KevDen2005]

Sounds like one of the ninjas got scared when they kicked the door and piddled down his leg causing an ND which then cost the tax payers a lot of ammo. Thats messed up, even if he did have 200lbs of pot (which they are usually pretty quick to announce) thats no reason to light him up like that!

Well that's a quick assumption.

Take off the tin foil hats for a second people. Jesus. They may have messed up and I am not going to back them if they did, but I know that none of us were there to know what happened. Stop watching so many movies, when the raid is supposed to be announced I am sure that it was.

[JoeT]

At least the cops made it home safely

[trlcavscout]

Well that's a quick assumption.

Take off the tin foil hats for a second people. Jesus. They may have messed up and I am not going to back them if they did, but I know that none of us were there to know what happened. Stop watching so many movies, when the raid is supposed to be announced I am sure that it was.

Sorry, I meant Way to go coppers it took 10 of you and 71 bullets to kill a guy that never fired on you Maybe they were all ex black water?

[KevDen2005]

Sorry, I meant Way to go coppers it took 10 of you and 71 bullets to kill a guy that never fired on you Maybe they were all ex black water?

Well I wasn't there, I am not defending those officers. On the other hand I am not going to fry them before I know the entire story. I know everyone thinks that because they are cops that there will be a big cover-up. I would definitely have to disagree and I think the other cops on here would agree that when you mess up in this job then you will pay the price and many times a completely unfair price.

I am not even going to go into detail about comments like them wetting themselves are most likely not accurate, especially for SWAT teams from places like Tuscon.

[BushMasterBoy]

Sounds kinda like this case...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o...les_de_Menezes