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I learned a long time ago to NOT lend money to friends. I also learned that friends don't ask friends for loans either...
As others have stated there isn't much you can do. Your buddy will have to either handover the stuff or pay you. Its purely up to him.
Just went and checked.... turns out we bought the rifle in December. Damn, didn't think it'd been that long.
I HAVE tried asking him for the money/rifle, I HAVE tried working with him, I HAVE tried giving him an easy way out.... I went over all that in the original post. I've tried all of the obvious stuff, I posted here cause I need outside opinions.Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
And no, I don't plan on stealing it back. I think I came up with a good plan that'll let me get a hold of the rifle easily and legally (insomnia has its benefits). But I'd still like a LEO's thoughts.
Oh and on that note, I know that a LEO may not completely understand a given law and I'm not looking for legal advice. I'm just asking for suggestions from someone that may have experience with similar situations and knows how to operate well within the law.
Yeah, well, lesson learned, no more helping friends when they ask. Its a damn sad world we live in.
But no, I don't think its purely up to him. He may be in possession of the actual rifle (for now), but we BOTH have money into this, and he ain't the only one that knows how to play hardball. If my plan works out, he'll have his money back out of it and I'll be able to sell the rifle and get my share back too.... I don't care what he thinks about it anymore, that's the only way I see to make this a win-win.
If it only cost you a few hundred bucks to find out what kind of friend he is, consider it money well spent, and move on. I wish I had taken that advice years ago.
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After I lost money to a friend the first time, this was my outlook as well. It only cost me a thousand bucks to never see the prick again. I've been down that road with family too and now I don't loan money to anyone.If it only cost you a few hundred bucks to find out what kind of friend he is, consider it money well spent, and move on. I wish I had taken that advice years ago.
He can be a great guy and a good friend but just may have no sense of responsibility or just be a deadbeat when it comes to paying bills and you have to find that out the hard way.
You have one option, though, that you can try as a last ditch effort. It's a dick move, but since you are writing off the friendship anyway and he's not really a friend any longer you might consider posting to his facebook wall something that DOES cause him to lose face with people - nothing derogatory, but maybe along the lines of "glad to see you are back on your feet again, perhaps you can finally pay me for the rifle I bought you or just give it back to me". When all diplomacy fails you can resort to this kind of tactic.
I think you're pretty much out the money bud!
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Call his boss and tell him that you are trying to find him because he owes you money for a gun. Once you mention that a gun is involved, the police will probably be brought into it.
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Along the lines of a couple of the previous posts, I have always lived by this:
If a "friend" is worth losing over money, then they are a "friend" worth losing...
Look at it this way, it only cost you a couple/few hundred bucks and you will never have to see this guy again, in fact, he will avoid you at all costs. He will be the one that is uncomfortable, and have to constantly think about it. If there are mutual situations where you both might be there, a birthday part, a BBQ, etc. he will be the one sweating it and worrying the whole time...
I have been bitten before by "friends" I'm an old softy and people mistake my kindness for foolishness. Shame on them.
Move on and consider it a loss, or the gain of one less dead beet person in your life.
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its a hard call , where im from 200 bucks is a death sentence (baltimore) . but you can ether walk away and consider it payment for him to stay away forever or get sneaky and duff dude in the eye . not that im saying that you should go and beat his ass , but maybe you should . remember if you take the low road that puts you in the same bucket as the thief . granted you will feel better in the moment but you wont get your money back .its really up to you good luck and i hope you make the right choice.
you should report yourself to the CBI for participating in a straw purchase
seriously though just forget about him or you could invite him to the range and when you are all done just pack his gun up in your rig and go home with it.
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I think that if it were me, I'd tell your "friend" that you are suddenly in a tight spot/situation where you really have to have your money now. If he's still your friend, I believe he'd bust his ass to hand you some cash or hand the gun over to you. That's the old school way of doing things. If his word is no good then he's not worth a good shit either.
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