The deficit problem is solved...

[Hoosier]

Honestly, if you are going to vote for ron paul, you are wasting your vote.

How can this be, though? He's in the Republican primaries, so that's your chance to vote for him. If I vote for him in a primary, it's not like I'm helping a Democrat along at the same time.

It's not like Ross Perot and the third-party-problem.

H.

[sniper7]

How can this be, though? He's in the Republican primaries, so that's your chance to vote for him. If I vote for him in a primary, it's not like I'm helping a Democrat along at the same time.

It's not like Ross Perot and the third-party-problem.

H.

do you honestly think he has a chance to win the primaries. Given his past, the votes he had garnered before. the current situation the economy is in. people are looking for someone that is going to give them stability, positive influence on the economy, bring down the deficit, give them jobs, protect them from terrorism and keep the border under control.
Paul has some great ideas, but it is too extreme right now for people to really rally behind them.
So yes it would be a waste of a vote, even in the primaries. and he wouldn't stand a chance against the renewed hope and change billion dollar campaign. His oratorical skills don't even come close to obamas. that is where obama won. he talked to the people, he speaks very well and he can spew bullshit that amazingly people believe and latch on to.

[Hoosier]

do you honestly think he has a chance to win the primaries. Given his past, the votes he had garnered before. the current situation the economy is in. people are looking for someone that is going to give them stability, positive influence on the economy, bring down the deficit, give them jobs, protect them from terrorism and keep the border under control.
Paul has some great ideas, but it is too extreme right now for people to really rally behind them.
So yes it would be a waste of a vote, even in the primaries. and he wouldn't stand a chance against the renewed hope and change billion dollar campaign. His oratorical skills don't even come close to obamas. that is where obama won. he talked to the people, he speaks very well and he can spew bullshit that amazingly people believe and latch on to.

People want change, Obama promised it and didn't deliver. That's the message that sells. We'll have to see who's in the final GOP field, but the rest feel interchangeable... tax cuts for corporations and using government to funnel money to them by every means imaginable. Weeee!

H.

[Elhuero]

if you sit back and think about the economy and come to the conclusion that "corporations" are to blame, then you have a flawed world view.

[Hoosier]

if you sit back and think about the economy and come to the conclusion that "corporations" are to blame, then you have a flawed world view.

Corporations and their ownership of government. Congress in particular (both sides of the aisle) have just one master, and it isn't the suckers who elect them.

H.

[Rust_shackleford]

Do you know his platform and how it would be installed? Did he ever say it would be over night? Keep drinking NEO Con koolaid. He is the only FREEDOM & PEACE candidate.
So keep voting for your slavery, I'm sure this next batch of "conservatives will keep their word. Notice how Congress controls the purse strings and yet no change.
Quit the left right crap and educate yourself on our banking system which has bankrupted this Country. GOP and Dems differ in action very little.
We are broke and will be a third world country if we don't wrestle control of our currency back soon.

do you honestly think he has a chance to win the primaries. Given his past, the votes he had garnered before. the current situation the economy is in. people are looking for someone that is going to give them stability, positive influence on the economy, bring down the deficit, give them jobs, protect them from terrorism and keep the border under control.
Paul has some great ideas, but it is too extreme right now for people to really rally behind them.
So yes it would be a waste of a vote, even in the primaries. and he wouldn't stand a chance against the renewed hope and change billion dollar campaign. His oratorical skills don't even come close to obamas. that is where obama won. he talked to the people, he speaks very well and he can spew bullshit that amazingly people believe and latch on to.

[sniper7]

Do you know his platform and how it would be installed? Did he ever say it would be over night? Keep drinking NEO Con koolaid. He is the only FREEDOM & PEACE candidate.
So keep voting for your slavery, I'm sure this next batch of "conservatives will keep their word. Notice how Congress controls the purse strings and yet no change.
Quit the left right crap and educate yourself on our banking system which has bankrupted this Country. GOP and Dems differ in action very little.
We are broke and will be a third world country if we don't wrestle control of our currency back soon.

I THINK the same way but reality is a bitch and not more than 50% of the country has this type of massive change type thinking. I like a lot of ron pauls ideas. All I am saying is I don't think he has a chance to win. I think the person with a chance hasn't even come out yet, isn't well known and we can only hope he has some of the same thinking as we do.

[Bailey Guns]

We get it. There are some rabid Ron Paul fans on the board. But since no one else will say it, I will. Ron Paul ain't all that and a bag o chips. His foreign policy ideals are totally whacked. The first casualty of a Ron Paul presidency would be our relations with Israel.

He makes good fiscal sense and has a good understanding of the Constitution. That's it.

Throw out all the platitudes you want. Ron Paul will not only not get elected, he won't even survive the primaries. And it has nothing to do with "left right crap". It has to do with a majority of people not liking, or believing in, some of the things he stands for. Like his idiotic ideas on foreign policy.

Not only that, but anyone who says Ron Paul is the only "real conservative" candidate this early in the game is a fool. The field isn't even populated yet and may not be for several more months.

[Tweety Bird]

The thing is, the primaries are the ONLY way to make any real change. In the end, either the Ass or the Elephant will win; third party candidates don't stand a ghost of a chance. So if we get another McCain in 2012, we're probably hosed because most GOP candidates will simply bring MOTS to DC.

Very few politicians are ready to stand up and make the hard choices that need to be made. Worse, the electorate is fickle; most people want the hard choices to be made, as long as it doesn't affect THEIR GOODIES.

In order to stop this train wreck, we need large numbers of people elected who are willing to stop the earmarks; quit spending the $$ in that cat-box; be honest about the unfunded promises that we can't afford to keep (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the like); kill the farm and other corporate subsidies; control the borders; institute a tax system that puts some skin in the game for EVERY citizen. The list goes on. And on.

But most people don't want THEIR stuff to be cut. Trouble is, we can't afford to pay for YOUR stuff any more. Nor for mine. Life's a bitch.

Like I said, we're hosed.

[BigMat]

The thing is, the primaries are the ONLY way to make any real change. In the end, either the Ass or the Elephant will win; third party candidates don't stand a ghost of a chance. So if we get another McCain in 2012, we're probably hosed because most GOP candidates will simply bring MOTS to DC.

Very few politicians are ready to stand up and make the hard choices that need to be made. Worse, the electorate is fickle; most people want the hard choices to be made, as long as it doesn't affect THEIR GOODIES.

In order to stop this train wreck, we need large numbers of people elected who are willing to stop the earmarks; quit spending the $$ in that cat-box; be honest about the unfunded promises that we can't afford to keep (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the like); kill the farm and other corporate subsidies; control the borders; institute a tax system that puts some skin in the game for EVERY citizen. The list goes on. And on.

But most people don't want THEIR stuff to be cut. Trouble is, we can't afford to pay for YOUR stuff any more. Nor for mine. Life's a bitch.

Like I said, we're hosed.

Sad, but I agree with this-



I like Ron Paul, in terms of economics, I agree with his stance on drug control (or lack there of) and giving out needles even (it would still be much much cheaper than dealing with Hep C, AIDs, HIV, etc., and if you are willing to use a dirty needle, a clean needle isn't the reason you put that shit in your body). And its a big "screw you" to the cartels. They have nothing on the business skills of American business. I would like to see Coke given a shot at marketing crack! and then I would really like to see the tax revenue! As to it killing people, they do it anyways, and we pay for it, anyways, this just brings it above board. As to rehab vs. Prison. Rehab has little chance of fixing addiction, prison has no chance.

As to militarizing the border, that won't fly anyways, long standing treaty between the US and Mexico. worthless or not, the treaty is what it is, and they are a huge trading partner, really sensitive to this. I think its cool to militarize the US/Canada border though, for what its worth.

I am nervous about his foreign policy, truthfully.

that said, I think the GOP has put forward a few lumps of crap and are hoping to trick people who vote R because it says R behind their names. Honestly, if you wanted to be president, now is your shot! Throw an R on your name, don't cheat on your wife with anything with a vagina or suddenly change all of your opinions miraculously depending on the voting block you face, and then lie your way to the top ( don't get caught doing it). After that you only have to beat Obama, not bad odds for the job.


I really hope a few more options show up at the table or I'm probably swinging third party. Hell, every time I've voted its sure seemed like I wasted my vote, regardless of who won. The way I see it, if I'm wasting my vote anyways, I may as well hold my head up this time.