Another fine speech

[roberth]

Civilized countries prosecute terrorists and murderers.

Palestinians reward them.

Obama and his dumbass followers don't see any problem with rewarding murderers. Ayers is a terrorist and Ayers is one of Obama's mentors so it would follow that Obama would support the Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah.

You can tell a lot about someone by the people they hang with, support, and try to curry favor with.


Hoosier, who are you currying favor with?

[roberth]

Another image that accurately portrays the 2 sides in question here.

[BPTactical]

Another image that accurately portrays the 2 sides in question here.

Inaccurate image Robert-
The Palestinian woman does not have a bomb vest.

[roberth]

Inaccurate image Robert-
The Palestinian woman does not have a bomb vest.

LOL Neither does the baby.

[Hoosier]

Only one side is guilty, the Palestinian terrorists. The only good Palestinian is a dead one.

The logic here... if this logic is valid, then you're saying anytime enough people from one group do enough bad to another, they are all fair game. Right? Some Palestinians have killed Israelis, therefore all Palestinians should die.

Now if you're going to accept that logic as sound, can you think of ways it could be applied, from the perspective of other people, in a way that would make you unhappy?

For example, if some Iraqi had his entire family murdered by Americans, is he justified in applying this logic to think all Americans should die? It's the same logic set, just different actors.

Can you find a way to invalidate the logic such that you're OK with the concept regardless of the participants? If not, are you OK with logic that doesn't work in all scenarios?

BTW, it's called Collective Punishment and is a war crime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment

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[Hoosier]

Hoosier, who are you currying favor with?

Well, it certainly doesn't appear to be the members of this board, does it?

Edit: and for the record, I'm not saying Hamas is a bunch of good people or anything, they've broken far more war crimes laws than the IDF every day of the week. Israel just can't be treated as sacrosanct in the behavior of the IDF, if you want to talk honestly about what's been going on over there.

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[Tim K]

The logic here... if this logic is valid, then you're saying anytime enough people from one group do enough bad to another, they are all fair game. Right? Some Palestinians have killed Israelis, therefore all Palestinians should die.

Winner! You win the award for the dumbest thing I've read today.

No one, and I mean no one, not here in the states nor in Israel, is suggesting that all Palestinians should die. Where did you get such a muddleheaded idea? If the Arabs would leave Israel alone, they would sit quietly and enjoy the land they carved from the desert. Every war Israel has fought has been a defensive war, they are not aggressors. All they want is to be left alone in peace.

[Hoosier]

Winner! You win the award for the dumbest thing I've read today.

I totally agree, that's also the stupidest thing I read all day. I didn't say it, I'm quoting roberth in post #15 in this thread. That logic breaks my head, and I wanted to understand how someone would say it. Perhaps he was being flippant.

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[roberth]

Well, it certainly doesn't appear to be the members of this board, does it?

Edit: and for the record, I'm not saying Hamas is a bunch of good people or anything, they've broken far more war crimes laws than the IDF every day of the week. Israel just can't be treated as sacrosanct in the behavior of the IDF, if you want to talk honestly about what's been going on over there.

H.

I KNOW that if the IDF was committing absolutely anything even remotely questionable it would be splashed on the front page of every news source in this country. The press will take and has taken every opportunity that has been presented to denigrate Israel and her efforts to protect her people.

You don't know the meaning of the word 'honesty' and I bet you had to look it up to know how to spell it.

[Hoosier]

I KNOW that if the IDF was committing absolutely anything even remotely questionable it would be splashed on the front page of every news source in this country. The press will take and has taken every opportunity that has been presented to denigrate Israel and her efforts to protect her people.

As for the media being anti-Israeli, didn't Helen Thomas get booted pretty fast for saying something anti-Israeli?

Ad hominem attack, now we're having fun right? When you start getting personal, I'm out. Enjoy.

H.