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Another Example of America Becoming Less American
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Whose to blame for this behavior then? The travelers? Department of Transportation?
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Who writes and interprets the laws of asset forfeiture?Originally Posted by Irving
It has never made sense to me but here is my best but limited explanation. Property in these cases is treated like a person who has committed a crime. It is seized and charged in court and unless the owner comes and defends their right to possess the property, it is converted into the property of the government that seized it. There are rules for how the government divides the money and how it can be used. The largest portion of the property normally is converted for the use of the agency that seized the property.
Originally the laws were established to combat large scale narcotics trafficking and organized crime. Those laws are used for all kinds of crimes now, depending on how the federal, state, and local legislatures write their asset forfeiture laws.
I understand the original intent behind asset forfeiture, however, the way it is practiced now in many jurisdictions makes my skin crawl. If you are a local sheriff with a tight budget, you don't have to tell your deputies what will happen if they don't make seizures. They know, and they will do what they need to, to keep their jobs and feed their families.
So the choices for many communities seems to be; fewer government services, higher taxes, or asset forfeiture. Our elected officials choose based on what they believe will get them re-elected (otherwise known as what the people want).
Just my $.02
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I am in agreement with Irving to a point. I dont think this is worthy of a "Cop Bashing" but it is open game for "Legislation Bashing" session. These "Civil Forfeture" laws are nothing more than government sponsored theft.
Denver for instance-peoples property seized and then even on aquittal or dropping of charges they still have to pay impound fees and storage.
Anymore it does seem that some agencies are being used as revenue generating machines than to "Serve and Protect".
I don't blame the officer on the street, they for the most part are doing as their superiors have directed them to do. I do have a problem with the fact of being pulled over for no other reason than having out of state plates.
"Do you have papers to be traveling in this state, Komrade?" coming soon?
And then to seize personal property when there is no evidence that a crime has been committed is Draconian to say the least.
Dont bitch at the gumshoe on the street.
Raise hell with the folks that write and pass these laws.
The most important thing to be learned from those who demand "Equality For All" is that all are not equal...
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The police just do what they're told to do. This is probably a political issue rather than a police abuses issue. I'm not too concerned about those individuals who are smuggling hundreds of thousands of dollars in circulated greenbacks across the Mexican border. IIRC, that violates some statute or another under US Customs law, and it is suspicious as hell. My biggest problem is with warrantless, intrusive, full vehicle searches without any justification other than a hunch. In some states police will attempt a vehicle search of anyone they pull over for any reason -- perhaps because it is after 10 PM on the weekend -- and that is for everyone, not just folks with out of state plates. They pull you over because they claim you did not come to a complete stop at a stop sign, or failed to signal a lane change, and the next thing you know they want to open the suitcase in your trunk without any reason to suspect any crime has been committed. Try and tell them "no" and see what happens. That is why some states will try to throw you in prison for recording police stops. Again, it is the political climate in certain states that encourages and permits police to do this sort of thing. It is not tolerated in most places. I haven't seen it in Colorado. Happens all the time in NY. Some liberal politicians probably want it to happen everywhere.
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