Why do people have to make problems?

[hip55]

You are not required to carry or provide papers or ID in The United Sates of America.

You are required to carry a valid license when you operate a motor vehicle. And unless an LEO thinks a crime has been committed, they have no right to detain anyone.

[Ronin13]

You are not required to carry or provide papers or ID in The United Sates of America.

You are required to carry a valid license when you operate a motor vehicle. And unless an LEO thinks a crime has been committed, they have no right to detain anyone.

Correction, unless you live in AZ
That's true... although I never leave home without my license (or everything else in my wallet for that matter), I still am relatively comfortable that if I don't have any form of ID it's not that big of deal unless I'm drinking, or driving (but never both at the same time)... but I do fear that Gestapo tactics are not far around the corner one day.

[bobbyfairbanks]

You are not required to carry or provide papers or ID in The United Sates of America.

You are required to carry a valid license when you operate a motor vehicle. And unless an LEO thinks a crime has been committed, they have no right to detain anyone.

Good!

I think he was bating the cops and is not helping out gun owners at all. Open carry is the least preferred method of carry but if it is all you got so be it. If your gonna do at least carry in a proper holster and for f sake just tell the cop your name. What harm is that.

I did notice the cop say she was a peace officer. I wonder if she really is or if she knows the difference between a peace officer and a LEO

[mackbamf]

Agreed that they are within their rights to open carry and are not breaking the law. That being said in my opinion they are giving gun owners a bad name. Walking around in public displaying a weapon is going to attract the attention of your fellow citizens and law enforcement, everybody knows that. To that end it is for good reason that you are going to be confronted. If you saw somebody walking around your neighborhood with a gun you would probably also say to yourself 'what the f*ck is that guy doing?' Would you then just stand by while a stranger with a displayed weapon was approaching your wife and children without knowing his intention? I would say any responsible gun owner would not display their weapon as a tool to instigate a confrontation with the police. I understand that it is a slippery slope with government infringing upon our rights and that you have to draw the line at some point. I just think that in this instance the line isn't being drawn in the right location. And I say all of this being pro gun.

[Irving]

And I say all of this being pro gun.

Apparently not.


To answer your question, I say "What the fuck is that person doing?" when I see anybody in my neighborhood, and I go on alert when anybody approaches my wife and daughter. Also, I wouldn't be all that concerned if the gun is in a holster.

[mackbamf]

[quote=Irving;367339]Apparently not.

Very much so. Avoiding unnecessary negative attention doesn't make me anti-gun.

Most people are not going to react favorably to someone with a firearm in public and you are more than likely going to elicit that type of resposne. That is the reality of the situation and I think that stoking the fire like the individuals in the video can push gun owners further to the fringe of public opinion, which is what I don't want.

[Irving]

That's how gays felt 25 years ago when they held hands in public. Does anyone even notice now? We need a parade.


I wouldn't go though, because parades are gay.

[mackbamf]

lol

[KevDen2005]

That's how gays felt 25 years ago when they held hands in public. Does anyone even notice now? We need a parade.


I wouldn't go though, because parades are gay.

Oh my god I just died laughing

[KevDen2005]

So found this vid:


after looking at the case of Mark Fiorino in Philadelphia (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...est=latestnews). This guy records the conversation with Maine PD and continues to argue, peacefully but still making problems and generally not cooperating, with LEOs. His responses sound almost robotic as if he was going off of what someone told him to say. Granted, his argument against is that they had no right, but you can save yourself a lot of trouble if you just cooperate a bit and be polite and courteous.

What a d-bag!

He should be happy that he dealt with a really polite PD, and not a pd that loves to baton people...

I agree with his cause, but at the end of the day it's not worth a night stick to the ass